Comments for entry "How Many Are You?" at Dilbert.com Blog

Comment from blampow

SatPMCDTE_Rthth

My contribution: where do you "get" the thoughts you put into words? It's possible that the very process of forming linguistic thoughts is dredging intuitions out of the right brain and spelling them out for the left to respond to, like dumping seaweed onto the floor of the boat. The seaweed collector feels like he's "produced" the seaweed, but where did he "produce" it from? How far back can you trace these "ideas" you talk to yourself about? Seems to me they bubble out of the unconscious with their own agendas.

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Comment from DNABeast

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I HATE being alone. I get cabin fever really easily and I've never noticed a second voice in my head. In fact usually my first voice is out loud rather than to myself.

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you (for k=1 to N) might be insane.

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For a long time I've wondered if the listenerâ€™s job is to decide if what the talker says is believable, or if itâ€™s an obvious lie. Millions of years ago our ancestorsâ€™ brains evolved the ability to model aspects of the external world, to allow them to make predictions about where some fruit will fall, whereâ€™s the best place to find water, etc. At some point our recent pre-modern human ancestors started to have brains that allowed them to also model the behaviour of other people. And another thing that our ancestors became better and better at is lying, and if you are going to try to deceive someone it might be good to have a mental model of them that doesnâ€™t know itâ€™s being lied to. To do this we would need to keep that part of our brains ignorant of their real function and also ignorant of most of the thought processes in the rest of our brains. Those of us with the best lie detectors would be better at cheating others and getting more than our fair share. And the best lie detector is one that doesnâ€™t know what it is, but thinks itâ€™s a real person - you. Of course before writing this I checked with my own conscious mind/lie detector and it thinks that a few of you might believe it, but that many of you will be able to tell itâ€™s a big fat lie.

Comment from minotauraus

ThuAMCDTE_Rthth

I have a question: When you talk to yourself, who's voice is it? If I actively think about it, I don't think it's my actual voice. It sounds cleaner and accent free. I don't think I've heard it anywhere, it just sounds neutral, calm and objective. I didn't think of it before, heck, I didn't even know I was doing it much less that there is a name for this.

Comment from XX_EE

WedPMCDTE_Rthth

Yup on both counts--often have conversations with myself (including sometimes, as you say, feeling like I'm watching a debate and judging) and not only have no difficulty spending lots of time by myself but actually need it. And, like you, I can definitely hold two opposing opinions at the same time.

Comment from j_l_Larson

WedPMCDTE_Rthth

I definitely enjoy being alone more than anyone I know. I attribute that partly to having been an only child and yes partly to my mind being generally able to entertain itself endlessly. As for being aware of multiple personalities within myself, I attribute that more to "moods". I'm easily able to postulate conversations with other people in my head, however, they are usually real people that I know of in real life in some way. Often my mental model of that other person is so realistic and highly tuned to their particular quirks that it can almost seem like telepathy. Thankfully though, experimental evidence with friends has proven it is not. I don't think this is such an unusual trait, other people do it all the time. That's what sometimes happens when you're making jest of someone. You think of a particular friend or celebrity and put them in a situation of some kind in your mind and watch what happens.

Comment from emadera52

WedPMCDTE_Rthth

Yes with regard to holding internal conversations with myself and yes to being quite content with my own company. I would rank myself as asocial when it comes to social interaction. Not surprisingly I spent many years as a software developer. :)

Comment from liquidgas

WedAMCDTE_Rthth

Well, there is this guy in me who constantly agrees to deadlines, decides to wake early, plans trekking routes and makes other commitments. And then there is the rest of me who has to actually do the stuff, or sweat the explanations.

Comment from TWE

WedAMCDTE_Rthth

Scott...I know exactly what you are talking about. I relate to it completely. However, in my case i don't have the conversation with two parts of myself. I sort of sense I am giving a presentation to an audience. I start off imagining I am correct. But as I am speaking I often have to add additional clarification in response to questions. Sometime it turns into a dialogue about how to evaluate conflicting data. Normally my initial precise is correct, but sometimes additional data offered up by the audience wins the day. And I do feel quite comfortable being by myself. I am often criticized for liking to hike and bike by myself as opposed to going with minimally a partner....or god help a group. I do some of my best talking to myself when I am exercising by myself.

Comment from lfstevens

TuePMCDTE_Rthth

I think the brain has multiple faculties. It seems completely sensible to say that the speaking part is wired to the rest differently from the sensing parts (hearing, seeing, etc.) The bicameral mind hypothesis is interesting, but the latest thinking focuses on the intuitive/rational split that is known as System 1/System 2 in the work of Daniel Kahneman ("Thinking Fast and Slow") and others. His work is both fascinating and compelling. I often find that by describing something that confuses me out loud (usually using another person as a fig leaf) I can quickly resolve my confusion. It's a great way to clarify thinking.

Comment from iamjasuja

TuePMCDTE_Rthth

I find this a very interesting piece, indeed. Here are some of my random thoughts on the question raised by you. I don't think it is possible for anyone to be alone. Everyone has multiple personalities hidden within and some sort of interaction is always taking place with all of them at different points of time. It is also nearly impossible not to feel the presence of numerous 'other' !$%*!$%* within oneself. People having hard time being alone are not necessarily those who can't feel the presence of another entity in their minds but are those who don't feel comfortable with them. It is also possible they feel scared of them or simply feel they are insignificant and not worthy of their attention forget about the time. In your case, you look for other real people when you lose the feeling of the other, or get bored with it. A person who enjoys being alone or the one who is at peace with himself is the one who has been able to achieve a harmonious balance with all the diverse !$%*!$%* present within. May be he/she has overcome all the fear and matured enough to realize the worth (or worthlessness) of most of the routine worldly things due to which he/she does not feel desperate to look outside for fulfillment. I end up by mentioning an anonymous quote which appropriately describes the mind of such people who have achieved this level of maturity. "The ultimate survival skill depends on the art of learning the importance of doing nothing." Dear Scot, I won't call you strange or insane. Your feeling, according to me, is the beginning of the above kind of wisdom that you seem to have started acquiring. BEST OF LUCK. GD JASUJA

Comment from Dingbat

TuePMCDTE_Rthth

My question for today is this: Do you feel the presence of two people who are both you at the same time? And if so, do you enjoy being alone more than most other people do? Yes to both questions. I recall the shock of hearing from a creative-writing professor in college that not everyone has long conversations with themselves in their heads. Really? How very odd. I also recall taking Strattera for a short time in the early 90's and thinking, "Wow. So this is what it is like to have one thought at a time."

Comment from TexasBob

TuePMCDTE_Rthth

Yes to both questions. I would go a bit father than enjoy being alone - I NEED to be alone for large swaths of time to perform this internal conversation - if I am not allowed this, the results are ugly in terms of productivity and civil relations. I wouldn't describe my desire to interact with others as a need for happiness purposes, though it probably is for sanity purposes. I have spent tons of time and mental energy contemplating this issue over the last twenty years and you are the first person that has 1) broached the subject 2) with a hypothesis that mirrors my own thoughts. It moves me towards supporting your other theory that we are all living in a computer-generated illusion.

Comment from callcopse

TuePMCDTE_Rthth

I don't feel any sense of dualism but definitely do the mental enunciations you describe. If there is a listener it is more like 'critical me' who is kicking the tyres of the ideas of the 'positing me'. Not sure if that is ego and id or somesuch. Very much happy alone with my thoughts. That's kind of a programmer thing though.

Comment from EMU

TuePMCDTE_Rthth

Almost the same for me. I don't mind being alone (and I don't miss radio or TV either) and when my brain is idling, lots of my thinking is in the form of dialogue. However, for me it doesn't feel like two persons. I /can/ turn around and push "the other" view but it's always me. As for the connection between planning to speak and listening, that's probably normal. I think the way the brain decides what to do is by running simulations against its model of the outside world and observing the outcomes. For complex simulations like conversations or abstract issues, they might require so much computing capacity that the bit that is "aware" gets used as well.