Comments for entry "Pretend Jail" at Dilbert.com Blog

Comment from jwenting

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"Let's take it a step farther: Suppose a psychopath murdered a member of your family. You can either send them to prison for 20 years, or you can make them undergo a treatment that fixes their psychopathy and removes any violent tendencies, making them an unusually-safe member of society, after which they are immediately released. Which would you choose? " in a proper prison system, one designed to punish rather than reward crime, one in which 20 years is not something one is likely to survive, give him 20 years. In the current system, give him that frontal lobotomy. " I think they tried this already and called it Australia?" And America had much of the same. A lot of people were deported to America, afaik more than went to Australia. Didn't work too well, they rebelled and took over the place.

Comment from Professor59

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1. What exactly keeps the criminals from returning here and committing more crime? A no-fly list? Ha! 2. I'm not sure it would feel right to me if my wife's killer got sentenced to being some rich guy's pool boy in southeast Asia.

Comment from AlanB9

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@Phantom II - Why do you not endorse the three strikes and your dead law that your friend suggested? I'm in full support of that, and I'm of the opinion that certain crimes should only carry a one strike rule (such as child rape..) The only change I would make is that I think the death part should be slow and as painful as possible. If we had a system like this Crime would drop dramatically!

Comment from whtllnew

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@tbarron Cant speak for Scott but Id feel about the same way as I feel about the flaws in our current system.

Comment from tbarron

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Revenge is not worth much to me but habeus corpus is. I would not be in favor of such a system if it were secret. As other commenters have pointed out, it would be impossible to maintain the secrecy, so that probably doesn't matter so much. However, how do you prevent abuse? How do you keep people like Romney or Obama from using the system to ship all their opponents out of the country? The penal system already makes mistakes and punishes the wrong people some of the time. So some percentage of your exiles will be innocent. How do you feel about that?

Comment from Shimmerville

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Giving a criminal a free life of opportunity sounds nice but a criminal really ought to get hurt first. Someone else might call it revenge -- the death penalty certainly is -- but if Melvin hurts somebody, Melvin should get hurt back. Heck, I'd like a free life of opportunity myself. I am at the age of unemployability. People who are just plain mean should be removed, though, and I do like the idea of shipping the worst offenders to Turkish jails, though. Being Big Leroy's girlfriend would be a piece of cake compared with the way they'd treat you down there. And they can do the imprisoning for much less money, on a contract basis, than an American bureaucracy can. And it would lessen the load on the American penal system.

Comment from Sailormac

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Mr. Adams. You have obviously never had to deal with a psychopath / sociopath

Comment from Sailormac

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How much is revenge worth to you? A lot!

Comment from DNA

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Imprisonment of a different kind: Long ago, in the land of Agropolis, there was a kind man who had 100 donkeys. A traveller stopped by once to wonder how this man managed to keep the donkeys from straying away. He couldn't possibly tie every one of them. So, the traveller stood aside and watched the kind man going about the job. The man pretended to hold an imaginary rope, went to each donkey and turned his hand around its neck; then walked upto a post nearby and pretended to tie a firm knot. He did that only to the few donkeys in the front row. The traveller noticed the foolishness and decided to teach a lesson. He whacked the donkeys in the back, hoping to cause a riot. Nothing happened. The donkeys wouldn't move till the front row moved. So, he whacked those in the front row. They wouldn't move either, because they believed they were tied by this invisible rope. Next morning, the kind man came back and pretended to undo the rope. The donkeys scattered in gay abandon! === Moral: Pretend systems are as good as pretend jails. :) .

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Comment from CliffClaven

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The idea of irrevocable exile is very appealing, but how possible is it in today's world? If criminals want to come back, a good percentage will find a way. A larger percentage will certainly end up where they'd be dangerous to the locals. We have to resign ourselves to the idea that people will have to be locked up; some for life unless we can make the death penalty a bit less random. Our bigger problem is all the current prisoners who aren't so much a danger to citizens as they are fodder for phony law-and-order politics and a booming prison industry. Get the potheads out of jail and force them to take their chances in society with everybody else. Lock up the people who are likely to injure or rob other people if they have access to means.

Comment from fatih

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You will give opportunities to prisoners,jobs and new places to live, which most of people struggle to do for their entire life. so where is the punishment for prisoners? Morever, like 3rd world country people has poverty and high unemployment rates so how is that possible to give these prisoners job just because they are from advanced countries? People have greater chance to build a decent life in these advanced countries, however prisoners choose wrong way somehow. And you offer to send them poorer countries to give jobs and new life chance just because they were born in advanced countries? Where is the justice here? No offence but the most horrible idea I have ever heard!

Comment from jdg

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I wouldn't expect any other country to accept US prisoners, unless it's the nasty ones that terrorism suspects went to under "extraordinary rendition." And that is something the US has no business doing. Put the destination somewhere in our own country, though (but remote enough that the criminals can't just come back) and congratulations, you've just reinvented the Soviet practice of exiling people to Siberia. I don't like that either, at least the "just disappearing" part. But if preceded by a fair trial, a sentence of exile to some remote place in Alaska or North Dakota might be a good alternative to prison. Certainly it does away with many of the problems of prison, including the fact that prisoners learn from other prisoners how to be more successful criminals when they get out, and the system prevents them from getting any normal job. An exile to Siberia (or similar) doesn't have those problems; the state finds him an honest job, even if it isn't much fun.

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Comment from Ius_Tertii

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When I was in law scholl, I recall the criminal law lecturer saying that we send people to jail for 3 reasons: revenge, re-education and something else that started with r that meant protecting society from them re-offending. Or maybe it was 3 P's: punishment, prevention, and . . . look, it was a long time ago, OK. The three purposes of the prison system remain 1. punishment/revenge: prisons meant to be not fun places to spend time. Even in 1st world prisons with clean uncrowded cells, prisoners are denied access to their friends and family, for example. 2. prevention: while in there, they can't repeat offend the theft/assault etc. This leads to questions like why we imprison drug users . . . . 3. re-education: most prisons have programmes to teach offenders a skill so that that they can (potentially) get a paying job when they leave. And unofficial programmes where long term repeat offenders network with first timers and teach them how to better commit crimes. The simplest implementation, rather than finding some country to take american criminals for money, is banishment. At their third strike, drive them to the border/airport, give them minimal travelling money, send them out and never let them back. You don't care where they go. Career criminals will soon be banished from multiple countries. You could even have a cut down version of this for shorter sentences. Instead of the state feeding and housing the guilty for x years, tell them they have to leave the court and not return for x years. Major hassle for them to establish themselves in another country, find a job, housing etc, and they are denied the company of their family and friends . Sounds like punishment and prevention are covered, at least for crimes where the perpetrator has to be in the same place as the victim. This does nothing for re-education, but that often doesn't work anyway.

Comment from BurnEdOut

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@DilBro: Then you are anathema to me and I hate your guts. That's okay though; I don't wish you any harm just because I dislike you.

Comment from MisterBeefhead

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Let's be honest, we want the revenge. But why does the revenge have to be expensive? What if we simply jabbed criminals in the eye with a stick? That's practically free!

Comment from pixlepix

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I might have been reading too much sci-fi recently, but what about a space colony. It solves the secrecy problem, and I can imagine crime would be easier to control in a small area.

Comment from pixlepix

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I might have been reading too much sci-fi recently, but what about a space colony. It solves the secrecy problem, and I can imagine crime would be easier to control in a small area.