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I can't decide if I prefer the candidate for President who says we should consider all the facts before deciding when to withdraw troops from Iraq or the one who says we should consider all the facts before deciding when to withdraw troops from Iraq.

On a marginally related note, I can't help wondering whether McCain and Obama are both closet atheists. My hunch is that they are.

McCain is famously quiet about his faith, which is strange for a Republican candidate. And you have to wonder what five years in a prison camp does to your belief, assuming his buddies who didn't make it out were praying too. My hunch is that he's not a believer.

Obama came to Christianity about the same time he realized it was useful to his future ambitions. He seems like a pragmatist to me. The majority of people at his education level aren't believers. My hunch is that he isn't a believer either.

I won't quibble if you disagree. It's just a feeling I get by watching how they operate and how they present themselves. The truth will never be known. What's your hunch?
 
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Jul 30, 2008
Hi Scott,

The more I consider my faith the less I care about whether or not the president claims to be believer. Most presidents make me wince when they talk about god and how their religion impacts their behavior. Since most have claimed to be some version of protestant, I feel embarrassed by their commentary. Very few have ever made statements that make me think they are more than casual Christians. Abe Lincoln did a good job when asked if he believed god was on the North’s side. His response was that he wouldn’t pretend to know the mind of the Almighty, just that he was sure God was not pleased with any war. He was I man I would have voted for to be president. Jimmy Carter also appeared to be more than a casual Christian. I am glad to say I did not vote for him, actually I couldn’t, I was too young.

Anyway, I haven’t heard or seen either candidate say or do anything to make me believe they are more than casual or convenient Christians, which is fine by me. Then again it is so wrong to speculate about another persons faith.

dsg
 
 
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Jul 30, 2008
The majority of people at his education level aren't believers. My hunch is that he isn't a believer either.

Where did you get that? I've never heard that.

Or are you saying all lawyers are godless scum? I think I could agree with that statement.
 
 
Jul 30, 2008
As a non-believer, I tend to believe that most other people are non-believers because I don't see how any rational person could actually believe in religion, but I suspect this is confirmation bias on my part.
 
 
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Jul 30, 2008
It has been a source of amusment to me I have heard several pundents on different NPR shows talk about Obama's capabilities of speaking the language of born-agains or what not. Many of them are very careful to seperate his oratory and his christian belief that he may or may not have in what ever amount. :)
 
 
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Jul 30, 2008
I have a slight hunch about Obama being a closet atheist, but not a hard-line atheist, more just like undeclared self-spiritual.

In this case I'm curious about Michelle Obama. I am willing to believe that she is Christian, at least by family-culture. So, is this partly why Obama married her? And, since then, has she influenced his spiritual beliefs at all?
 
 
Jul 30, 2008
Distrust all politicians who believe in God.
Bush & blair are both God botherers, and they conspired together to kill people (start a war) - not a very Christian attitude.
If you think God is on your side, then you think the other guy in the conflict is on the Devil's side, even though he thinks that God is on his side too.
 
 
 
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