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Have you ever wondered if big swings in financial markets are being orchestrated by a small group of individuals? Let's call this hypothetical group of people the Illuminati.

Your first instinct might be that the financial markets are so vast and diversified that it would be impossible for a small group of individuals to have any real control over it. Think again. Physicists have discovered that a relatively few companies have unexpected influence on markets. And the top name on the list is a privately held company that you probably never heard of.

http://www.insidescience.org/research/study_says_world_s_stocks_controlled_by_select_few


The same math holds true for the media. As a general rule, news doesn't become real news until the New York Times or the Washington Post report on it. After that, television and local news jump all over the story. (The exception is celebrity and gossip stories that have little importance.)

The government would be easy to control if you and your buddies controlled both the economy and the news. I don't see any elected officials being part of the illuminati. They would be puppets just like you and me.

My best guess is that 20 individuals could control the United States behind the scenes if they were the same people who controlled the financial markets and the media. And when I say control, I don't mean micromanaging things. They wouldn't care who was on the Supreme Court, for example, or whether abortion is legal. All they would care about is increasing their power and wealth, which are two sides of the same coin. So their interests would include wars and financial markets and access to natural resources. Everything else they could buy.

I'm not suggesting the Illuminati exists, or that the companies in the physicists' study are doing anything inappropriate. I just think it's interesting that the Illuminati is entirely feasible, bordering on simple. The CEO of any one of the big financial or media companies could pick up the phone and call a meeting of the others. Add some hookers and cigars and you have the Illuminati.

If you were one of the 20 powerful people, would you make that phone call and organize the others?

 
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Jun 30, 2010
Can you imagine how much money they make from orchestrating a depression? It's so easy when you're causing it. The deal was when we bought the banks they were going to lend more money. dream on suckers!
I don't think it's money they're trying to make, more like depriving us of it.
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Oct 21, 2009
It doesn't say much for the economics profession that it gets left to physicists to do important research like this.
 
 
Sep 3, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
 
 
Sep 3, 2009
It is led by George Soros.
 
 
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Sep 3, 2009
tkwelge,
Off topic, but since you are interested, I rarely do more than skim the comments and rate them on a formula based on the ratio of commas to adverbs.

BOCTAOE
 
 
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Sep 2, 2009
Sure, everybody is interconnected in the economy. However, I refuse to believe that anybody in the media or the government (or even corporate boardrooms) is capable of understanding or controlling anything outside of their direct circle of power. A human being just can't keep track of everything, not without help. (I wanted to add emphasis to "help.") Keeping an organization humming requires lots of people, each with their specific "job." The people at the top don't control the market, they just have a narrow job to do and they do it as best as they can, which means RESPONDING to the market more often than controlling it. Do they try to influence the market? Sure, but we all do in our own way. You might argue that they have more power than individuals, but i argue that the reverse is true. Don't the masses have the power, through voting with their dollars, to control what ends up on TV and what products end up on store shelves? I'm relatively certain that somebody couldn't FORCE me to buy something.

And as far as speculation in the market goes, it is my belief that speculation will be the general response to any prolonged period of economic uplift. Eventually, people stop seeing risk in purchasing stock. Remember the Dotcom crash? Sure there were a few people cooking the books, but the majority of the problem was simple optimism. Optimism sent stocks higher for no reason, not low interest rates (interest rates have been high and low during bubbles), not behind the scenes conspiracies, and not some slick wall street loophole. Optimism. Sure, those things stand out like a sore thumb after a bubble bursts, but during the period of optimism, nobody was bothered by them as long as their 401k's generated high returns. We're all complicit in these things. It may be convenient to blame fat cats or washington, but economic fluctuations are going to happen, but luckily it is that cycle of destruction and creation that makes REAL economic growth possible.
 
 
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Sep 2, 2009
((They own everything. Like the 22.7 million small businesses in America that account for 50% of the workforce. They own all those, too, right?))

They don't need to own them. What part of not micromanaging don't you understand.
They plant the right stories in the media and crash the system. duh.. wake up, retard
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Scott, Scott, Scott. There you go again. I am in awe of your intellect, until you post something like this. I am beginning to think you do this on purpose, just to see if anyone will call you on it. Well, guess what. . .

Scott: "Physicists have discovered . . ." Huh? What, like they'd discover a new sub-atomic particle? And physicists? Two physicists in Switzerland? All by themselves? They "discovered" something about economics? That's like Al Gore using his nonexistent scientific background to discover something about global warming.

The article says that two Swiss physicists, who I'm sure have no bias and had a perfectly good reason to abandon physics research and jump into economic research, "discovered" something that has eluded economists and business people forever. Gee, I believe THAT. What was their methodology? What is their backup data? Who did the peer review (then again, what physicist is going to peer review something that isn't about physics)?

So how do these shadow Illuminati do it? Simple. They own everything. Like the 22.7 million small businesses in America that account for 50% of the workforce. They own all those, too, right? And of course, that means they would have to sit on the boards of all those big companies; otherwise they couldn't control them, right? So all we have to do is look on the boards of every major corporation in the world and figure out who the 20 or so individuals who sit on them are, and voila! Case closed!

And let's not forget that our beloved, benevolent perfect-in-every-way government, which controls 40% of our GDP and spends way more borrowed money would have to be controlled by them, too. OK, so maybe that doesn't sound so far-fetched, but still. . .

You know, Scott, it wouldn't be so bad if you would start off by saying, "I know this is BS, but what if it were true?"
Scott: "I'm not suggesting the Illuminati exist. . ." That's exactly what you're suggesting, using a couple of Swiss Physicists as your stalking horse. And then you say, "I just think it's interesting that the Illuminati is entirely feasible, bordering on simple." If it's so simple, then it would be ridiculous to suggest that it hadn't happened. As a matter of fact, you're smart, so why haven't YOU done it? I'm not saying that your post is ridiculous, Scott, but it is entirely feasible.

The sad fact is that the closest thing we have to the Illuminati is what is called "The Obama Administration." With the stroke of a pen, they can spend more money than all of the individuals and businesses in the US make in a year. Now, that's power, and it's not some pipe dream of a group of rich people controlling the economy. It's real, and it's scary as hell.

As to your post's validity: just remember that when you build your argument on a house of cards, don't be surprised when it comes falling down around your ears.
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This received a -5. I'm not sure what basis people are actually grading comments on. I noticed the least popular ones are often the ones that say the most or disagree with Scott the most. BOCTAE
 
 
Sep 2, 2009
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Rupert Murdoch. He's only one person and controls quite a bit of media, including TV networks (Fox and Fox News) and newspapers (The Wall Street Journal and The NY Post), and that's just in the United States. The parent company of The Wall Street Journal is Dow Jones & Company (a subsidiary of his News Corp.), which of course calculates the most influential stock market indices.

The properties owned by News Corp. is pretty staggering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation
 
 
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Sep 2, 2009
Yes.
 
 
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Sep 2, 2009
I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I tell you! I mean imagine the idea that the biggest mutual fund company in the world owns the largest amount of shares in the world. It's a conspiricy!
 
 
Sep 2, 2009
"orchestrated by a small group of individuals"


You misused the word "orchestrated". I have every book an treatise and book on orchestration available, I actively practice orchestration and have taught graduate courses in orchestration. It is not an evil activity.

The misuse of "orchestrated" goes back to Jane Fonda's phrase "carefully orchestrated plot" which referred to some now forgotten shady deal. The media picked up on it and this misuse is now rampant - especially among those who want to sound smarter than they really are - which of course does not apply to you.

You mean coordinated. It's a lot less pretentious and it describes exactly what you are intending to say.
 
 
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Sep 2, 2009
Read the book "Citiboy". It is a based-on-true-experience story about a sceurities analyist in London financial district. In one chapter he is invited by a group of Iluminati to a drugs-and-booze trip to Ibiza. Waking up from his hangover, he hears one of them casually orchestrating a rumor about a company to make the share frop or down, but of course not before shorting it.
If iluminati exists, this book is the most vivid description of them.
 
 
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Sep 2, 2009
Yes, I would make that phone call!

I would then arrange to attend my godson's baptism, and do the following:

1. Machine gun 1 illuminati in bed with his hooker
2. Shoot another trapped inside a revolving door.
3. Blast 2 in an elevator with a sawed-off shotgun.
4. Kill another on the steps outside of City Hall.
5. Put a bullet through the eye of the founder of Las Vegas as he is getting a massage.
6. Shoot another twice while he was having veal.
7. Put a bullet in the head of another while he was saying he had "Un grosso respecto..."
8. Put one in a car for the airport, then garrot him.
9. Send bullet-proof vest and fish to the family of another. "He sleeps with the fishes..."
10. Beat the snot out of another with a garbage can lid.

Gosh! All of this sounds like an Academy-Award winning movie! I can't quite put my finger on it though.....
 
 
Sep 2, 2009
I think the hookers are the illuminati. Think about it.
 
 
Sep 2, 2009
I have no idea how I'd apply such a sort of power. Just wanted to notify you of another fact which is interesting since you also mentioned how the press works. If you google the names of the researchers of this study, Battiston and Glattfelder, you find that the study was published already in February (in Austria it made it into the press at that time) but only now it seems to have reached some U.S. media (and at the same time it is eagerly grabbed by conspiracy theorists and published on their sites, often distorting it badly). Did THEY try to suppress the story for several months ...?
 
 
Sep 1, 2009
Sounds like a bad airport paperback I read back in the early eighties - a cabal of corporations threaten to wreak financial havoc on all the world's markets - apparently they had influence in U.S.S.R. and People's Republic of China in the book - unless all the world's governments handed over control of everything to them - security, health services, food distribution, food production, and on and on - sort of a pre-cursor to the corporate socialistic society envisioned in Rollerball - until one hero figures out how to save the world from the cabal.

A modern day cabal would barely hold together for longer than a generation, at the most, eventually one or two or more people within the group would want to wield power even over the other members, get greedy and cause a deep irreparable split, and then it's back to the usual chaos. At best, these people aren't working in concert in controlling the markets or media, but do notice what the other rich and prayerful guys are doing in their ilk. Everyone likes to imagine they're calling the shots, some have more resources to appear as if they actually do.
 
 
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Sep 1, 2009
As your colleague, Douglas Adams, once said: The President is not there to execute power, but to distract the attention away from it.

Oh, and I wish people would stop grading comments based upon their political views. That is so obvious.
 
 
Sep 1, 2009
((They own everything. Like the 22.7 million small businesses in America that account for 50% of the workforce. They own all those, too, right?))

They don't need to own them. What part of not micromanaging don't you understand.
They plant the right stories in the media and crash the system. duh.. wake up, retard
 
 
Sep 1, 2009
But you forget that the Illuminati are people just like the rest of us, ie stupid.

They'd back stab each other for more power and wealth.
The only way they'd manage to stay together is to learn to work together, which ironically if they could would probably make them worthy to control the world.
So heres hoping there is a 20 person group that can work together to control the world as there probably the best people to control the world.
 
 
Sep 1, 2009
Scott, Scott, Scott. There you go again. I am in awe of your intellect, until you post something like this. I am beginning to think you do this on purpose, just to see if anyone will call you on it. Well, guess what. . .

Scott: "Physicists have discovered . . ." Huh? What, like they'd discover a new sub-atomic particle? And physicists? Two physicists in Switzerland? All by themselves? They "discovered" something about economics? That's like Al Gore using his nonexistent scientific background to discover something about global warming.

The article says that two Swiss physicists, who I'm sure have no bias and had a perfectly good reason to abandon physics research and jump into economic research, "discovered" something that has eluded economists and business people forever. Gee, I believe THAT. What was their methodology? What is their backup data? Who did the peer review (then again, what physicist is going to peer review something that isn't about physics)?

So how do these shadow Illuminati do it? Simple. They own everything. Like the 22.7 million small businesses in America that account for 50% of the workforce. They own all those, too, right? And of course, that means they would have to sit on the boards of all those big companies; otherwise they couldn't control them, right? So all we have to do is look on the boards of every major corporation in the world and figure out who the 20 or so individuals who sit on them are, and voila! Case closed!

And let's not forget that our beloved, benevolent perfect-in-every-way government, which controls 40% of our GDP and spends way more borrowed money would have to be controlled by them, too. OK, so maybe that doesn't sound so far-fetched, but still. . .

You know, Scott, it wouldn't be so bad if you would start off by saying, "I know this is BS, but what if it were true?"
Scott: "I'm not suggesting the Illuminati exist. . ." That's exactly what you're suggesting, using a couple of Swiss Physicists as your stalking horse. And then you say, "I just think it's interesting that the Illuminati is entirely feasible, bordering on simple." If it's so simple, then it would be ridiculous to suggest that it hadn't happened. As a matter of fact, you're smart, so why haven't YOU done it? I'm not saying that your post is ridiculous, Scott, but it is entirely feasible.

The sad fact is that the closest thing we have to the Illuminati is what is called "The Obama Administration." With the stroke of a pen, they can spend more money than all of the individuals and businesses in the US make in a year. Now, that's power, and it's not some pipe dream of a group of rich people controlling the economy. It's real, and it's scary as hell.

As to your post's validity: just remember that when you build your argument on a house of cards, don't be surprised when it comes falling down around your ears.
 
 
 
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