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I now present two pieces of information that are supported by the data, as far as I know. Provide a link if you know otherwise.

First, 80% of healthcare costs go toward chronic diseases such as diabetes, cancer, and heart disease.

Second, a huge study on diet and its correlation to disease, called The China Study, found that chronic diseases, particularly the ones I just mentioned, only get triggered if you eat a plant based diet, for the most part, regardless of your genetic propensity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

The author's thesis, backed by a mountain of data, is that the only safe level of animal based food is zero. No milk or cheese either. Moderation simply doesn't work when it comes to eating meat. That's the data talking, not me, according to this expert. I haven't seen any data that contradicts that notion. Provide a link if you have.

As a practical matter, it would be impossible to ban meat from the diets of average Americans. But when you are talking about insurance of any sort, whether it is health or auto or hurricane, we accept the principle that risk factors can be considered in pricing. So all we need to do is charge meat eaters four times as much as vegetarians for health insurance. Over time it will create more vegetarians, for economic reasons alone, and healthcare costs will plummet.

You might say it is unfair for the insurance company to charge a higher premium for earthquake insurance to people who actually live on a fault line. But I say that's just good business.

Insurance companies shouldn't charge more to people who have preexisting or genetic problems of course, as these are things which can't be controlled. But people can certainly control their diets if they want to save money. As it stands now, vegetarians are subsidizing your cheeseburgers by paying more for health insurance than they should. (Insert counterpoint involving the non-existence of free will here.)

I want to stress that I'm not the sort of vegetarian who cares if you live or die, so long as you're enjoying yourself along the way. You can eat rusty tin cans and medical needles for all I care, so long as I don't have to subsidize it.

 
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Jul 29, 2009
taxed everyone in the US who earns more than $1 million per year at 100% of their income. thats a iq test. if you worry about it you don't want to think. and don't want anyone too.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
people with "preexisting or genetic problems" just don't get Insurance. in fact if they can find anythjing that looks like it could maybe a preexisting anything < no matter if it has anything to do with whats wrong or not, they can and do get out of paying you anything. unless you can get pay for gooing to court for a long time. like till after it kills you. this is happenibng all the time. but not so that liberal media says anything.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
I was taught in school that plants also have life.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Scott, you posted a month or so ago about the benefits of a vegetarian diet on health care and the environment at a time when I was already thinking about it in terms of being kinder to animals. It seems that many of your readers aren't ready to take that step, but I applaud your efforts anyway. Could you provide some helpful information on becoming a vegetarian for those of us who are in transition? I know this isn't a cooking blog, but some links or general ideas about what to actually cook would be great. I can only handle so many bean burritos.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Forgot to mention, as a meat eater I do care about the state of the animals I eat.

The best meat, beef anyway, in the world comes from Japan where the cows are treated like royalty, fed top quality food, drink beer even etc etc. And the quality of the meat is top notch.
If you mistreat an animal and its sick and unhealthy the meat will not be good.
Likewise if you kill it as the animal is full of adrenaline and in pain the the meat will be poor quality.

If its killed quickly while its relaxed and its a healthy and happy animal then the meat will be a better quality.

I wish vegaryans (note that I linked Aryans to Vegetarians making fun of the fact that Vegetarians are elitist andalso linked them to Hitler in the one word) would stop saying that we dont care about our food. Of course we do!

I remember in school I wrote an essay on how we should stop eating cows and eat Vegaryans instead, makes me wish I'd kept it.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Denton42

I'm a meat eater and I'd eat a cat or a dog. Meat is Meat. I see tearing up a plant roots and all or eating the seeds and denying a plant the chance to reproduce as murder as well. I just dont care as its my survival versus them.

And your comment about eating death row inmates is just silly.

But practically Im sure humans would be an excellent source of meat.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Meat is murder. Meat eaters do not want to hear about this issue. They would rather continue denying they have a perversion with eating flesh. That's why most meat eaters don't want to hear about the cruelties at factory farms and processing plants. Most meat eaters will not eat dogs, cats, and horses. I don't give a crap about people's diets, but why is there such an internal philosophical dicotomy about eating meat with meat eaters? At least the Chinese don't have this dicotomy: they will eat dogs and horses without putting an imaginary/arbitrary ethical boundary between conventional meat and unconventional meat. This ethical, no-pet, boundary becomes the real issue in the mind of some meat eaters. But I say that boundary is just a diversion from the perversion. Why stop with cows and pigs (that make nice pets), why not eat death row inmates or non-organ donor crash victims (I'm creating another ethical boundary regarding old vs young meat so that there's still some sort of boundary to cling to)?
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Tried being a vegetarian on two separate occasions, lasted each time about five months. The meat cravings weren't as hard to handle as I expected; what got me were the social pressures. Food is a very sensitive matter, clear in the strong defensive response to this post (I've never seen a Scott Blog with so low a rating - minus 22 before I gave my own thumbs-up) but also in a less passionate, everyday sort of way. When you eat things that other people around you aren't eating, you're hit by a lot of self-consciousness and feel left out. Or at least I did, anyway; I know a lot of tough-skinned vegetarians who don't give a rat's ass that their plate doesn't match its neighbors.

If you're interested in changing people's behavior, Scott, I recommend getting a sense of where they're coming from and then try to reach out to them. The chances of Americans electing a vegan president are as slim as those for an atheist president.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Ooh Ooh.

I cant let this past without plugging my own country.

Buy Kangaroo meat from Australia. There our national animal, great eating. (Do you guys sell Bald eagle steaks btw?)
Plus given their lifestyle there naturally high in protein and low in fat, plus there environmental impact is miniscule compared to cows et al.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Ooh Ooh.

I cant let this past without plugging my own country.

Buy Kangaroo meat from Australia. There our national animal, great eating. (Do you guys sell Bald eagle steaks btw?)
Plus given their lifestyle there naturally high in protein and low in fat, plus there environmental impact is miniscule compared to cows et al.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Am I the only one that when reading this blog entry that is reminded of his idea in the Dilbert Future where he gets free energy by placing windwills in a Mac users group meeting and stands up and says that "Windows seems just as good as Mac why don’t we all change over" and gets out of the way?

I find it ironic after countless blog entries where he has said that he enjoys pushing people's buttons, and everyone agrees and says yes people that get riled up after a singed statement are silly. He then goes and does it and people get riled up. You silly humans make me laugh.

Im off to grab a coffee, which is bad for me and my brain due to it being an artifical stimulant however I intend to not have another coffee for quite some time.
 
 
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Jul 29, 2009
Whoa, I'm not sure what's been happening here but I've noticed the comments in this blog have gotten unusually bitter and angry. Lay up on Scott a little with the snarky attacks and respond like adults who can respect each other while disagreeing. Scott wakes up early and writes this blog so we can read it. I'm sure it's harder for the guy to be funny while reading mean-spirited responses to yesterdays post everyday.

I will, however, agree that Scott's evidence for his point on this post was unusually thin.

Anyway, I can see this going two ways. One, we can do what Canada does and put Sin taxes on purchasing items that are proven to negatively effect your health with the money going into health care. That way, genetic advantages won't save people money, it's only about how hard you try not to purchase things that damage you. The extra costs on bad things would immediately make them less appetizing. I personally like meat, cheese, and occasional fast food but I wouldn't mind paying a little extra if it went to fund health care and I knew the serious carnivores, slobs, and gluttons were funding their own health care stay by paying more now.

Or two, we could eat bugs. Mainly grasshoppers and crickets probably. They're full of protein, can digest cellulose and use it, wouldn't need growth hormone 'cause they breed fast as crap, and probably don't produce much methane (someone fact check this). What have our evolutionary ancestors originally grown up eating? A lot of bugs I think. We can definitely process them well. Taste might be a problem. Anyone know any delightful bug recipes?
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Oops, sorry, folks, I misspoke. The INCREASE in the nationa debt this year has been about $2.3 trillion. The national debt currently stands at roughly $11.6 trillion, or slightly more than one year's GDP. Each US man, woman and child's share of this debt is just slightly less than $38,000. In case you're curious, the median income per person (all people included whether they work or not) in the US was around $26,000 in 2006.

So, we should simply shut down the federal government for 1-1/2 years and give all the money we earn to them, and we'll be out of direct debt. Then we can start to work on the unfunded liability for SS and Medicare of $54 trillion. We should have that worked off in about another five years or so. No problem.

Maybe there's a way out of this. If there is, I can't see it. But I know one thing: spending even more money on more entitlements is not going to make the problem any better. Anyone who tells you we can tax and spend our way to happiness and prosperity is either lying or incredibly stupid, or both (in the case of our rulers).
 
 
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Jul 29, 2009
Every 6 months the same article gets reprinted! "Obesity greatest healthcare cost!" However, it has been shown that the obese and cigarette smokers actually cost less over the entirety of their lives. The single greatest factor in determining your lifetime health costs is the length of your life. Not the quality of your health. The reason healthcare costs have been exploding in recent decades has to do with the fact that people are living longer every year. Yes, even in the US where everyone believes the healthcare sucks, new records for life expectancy are seen every few years. All sorts of costs are appearing that never existed before, thanks to all of the old people that would have simply dropped dead just a couple of decades ago.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Have you seen the menu at this place? It's a death trap:
http://www.eatatstaceys.com/staceys-cafe/menus-dinner.php
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
God, what's the use. If you don't want to subsidize other people's health choices, then don't support socialized medicine. You talk as though you have no choice but to pay for other people's health care. Well, Scott, then why do you support socialism? I'm not asking you to subsidize other people's health care; the Democrats are.

This is the slippery slope to slavery. First, the government promises everything for free. Then, the government passes legislation to give you those things that they promised. Then, they make you dependent on it, and allow no other choice. Then, they realize that they can't possibly afford paying for it, so they begin to restrict it. And they use just your logic: "Hey, you can eat meat (or smoke, or ski, or do anything considered a free choice), but if you do, we're not going to cover you."

Suddenly, you wake up and realize the government is in control of your life. You also realize that, because it's only the producers who are being taxed, they stop producing. Your economy slowly erodes, and the quality of living starts going down. But by then, there's no way out: you're a slave to your government, and must do what they say in virtually every aspect of your private lives - unless you work for the government. Our rulers exempt themselves from any plan they pass, and have their own, fully funded by the taxpayers, medical and retirement plans. It is good to be king.

Here are the facts: between just two entitlement programs, Medicare and Social Security, there is a $54 trillion (yes, with a 't') unfunded liability. For those who don't know what that means, it means that there are commitments to spend $54 trillion without having the money to pay for it. Medicare's true costs were seven times what were originally projected.

The government has quadrupled the national debt in just six months. It has also doubled the money supply, meaning in effect that the dollar you had at the end of 2008 is now worth fifty cents. Inflation is just around the corner. Welcome to the pre-WWII Weimar republic.

The country is effectively bankrupt. Our GDP is now down to about $11 trillion. The government has run up an additional $2.3 trillion in debt in the past six months, making the national debt now about $3 trillion. This month ALONE, the government is borrowing $200 billion. This month alone.

How much is a trillion dollars, compared to a tiny amount like, say, one billion dollars? Well, one billion seconds ago was some time in the year 1967. One trillion seconds ago was about 32,000 years ago. Starting to get the picture? If not, here's a URL that might make it a little more visually understandable: http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html

Folks, there is no such thing as a free lunch. I misspoke: the United States is not virtually bankrupt, it's actually bankrupt. The only thing, the ONLY THING keeping us from having to default on everything is that we're still borrowing money. From the Chinese. And the Arabs. And having the federal reserve print more money. Make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

So Scott, let's put our cards on the table. If you want to stop subsidizing the health care for everyone who isn't a vegan, it's really simple: stop letting your government subsidize their health care. The alternative is to make everyone a slave to any whim the government has, when they have no hope of ever keeping their promises because there isn't enough money available to do it.

If you taxed everyone in the US who earns more than $1 million per year at 100% of their income, you'd only increase federal revenues by about 10%. And guess what - after that happened, there wouldn't be anyone earning over $1 million in the US any more. You'd have one year to tax those evil rich folks, and then you'd have killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Forever.

Don't fall for false promises. There isn't enough money to pay for everyone's health care, Social Security, Medicare, and all the other entitlement programs, and keep from destroying the economy and having the country go bankrupt. There is no way. We all need to wake up and see reality for what it is, whether you eat meat or not.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Scott, I didn't read all the posts, but have you looked up the French paradox? Basically it is a theory that says despite eating a lot of meats and dairy products, the french don't get a lot of heart disease.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Umm, do you still drink a diet coke with your banana every morning for breakfast? If so, I think that is one of the first things your insurance company would tell you to stop drinking, due to the preservatives and artificial sugars.

Under your rule, everyone would have to give up something. Unless of course with your untold riches you would be willing to pay a little more for that luxury.

Living forever will wreak havoc on your insurance premiums.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
I looked at the article and was surprised by how badly cow's milk came off. I drink a lot of milk and come from a family of heavy milk/cheese consumers - and there are a number of auto-immune diseases among same (though we are way too small a sample to draw conclusions).

I looked at a couple of other articles/studies that also had bad things to say about cow's milk for various reasons.

So then I did a quick internet search on goat's milk. I raise dairy goats - and most of the milk I now consume is raw goat milk. Goats milk seems to escape the worst of the the criticisms lobbed against cows milk. It does not contribute to bone demineralization in the same way cow's milk does, not does it raise blood cholesterol in the same way. The fat molecules in goat's milk are much smaller and easier to digest.

This, of course, fits what I would like to believe - but if true, then I think the gov should make it much easier for people like me to sell milk. I only produce enough for my family. It would literally cost me tens of thousands of dollars to be certified to sell milk - even though I could easily pasteurize the stuff - making the milk safer to consume than the eggs I am allowed to freely sell with no oversight.

I've spoken with commercial goat farmers who sell all they produce for $24/gallon and still barely break even - because of the cost of compliance with regulations. (I do agree raw milk can be dangerous, but pasteurized? Not so much.)

In sum, if the above is true - then government regulations are keeping a huge potential health benefit off the market.
 
 
Jul 29, 2009
Want to see lots of arugument against vegetarianism? check http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html
I must say WOW, over 100 postings on this, only about 20 on energy efficient houses.
 
 
 
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