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Are you following the huge debate about the proposed legislation in the United States to stop online piracy? It's called SOPA, short for Stop Online Piracy Act.

I'm fascinated by the debate because it's an ideal example of how we humans make decisions in the face of complexity. The proposed legislation is simple enough in terms of its purpose: Reducing piracy on the Internet. But its unintended consequences are not knowable.  Critics claim the law will be overused and result in punishing or killing defenseless and legitimate sites without due process. Those in favor of SOPA say it will only make the illegal foreign pirate sites inaccessible from the United States. Based on my limited understanding of the issue, I don't know who is right. Neither do you.  The best we can do is to apply unscientific methods, i.e. fancy guessing, that we might label intuition or common sense to make us feel better. Let's see where that takes us.

Rule of Thumb

Thanks to Republicans, and Ron Paul in particular, the idea that more government is always bad has gained a larger following than ever. That's doubly so when we're dealing with the Wild West of the Internet. It's a simple rule of thumb: The more the government interferes, the worse off we are.

By that filter, the SOPA question boils down to this: What is worse - allowing legitimate businesses to be robbed of their intellectual property, or having the government try to stop it? There is so little trust in government that most people prefer being robbed over the alternative of having the government get involved and making things worse.

Bottom line: If you apply the "more government is bad" rule of thumb, SOPA is a bad idea.

Pattern Recognition

If you strip out the details of the SOPA debate, the form looks like this:

Opponent: That law will cause huge problems because (reason).

Supporter: If you hold that opinion, you must have read the law wrong.

And...

Opponent: The requirements of the law are totally impractical.

Supporter: Something like SOPA is already being done successfully in other countries.

Pattern recognition often gives you the wrong answer because coincidences can look like a pattern. On the other hand, if ten political ads from the same candidate fail the fact-checking filters, there's a high likelihood the eleventh won't be much better. So pattern recognition does have its place.

In my own life, I find that when people disagree with my opinions, they are more often than not disagreeing with a misinterpretation of my opinion, not my actual opinion. And when a law is being used successfully in one place, it raises the odds it can work in another place.

There's also a pattern that tells me I shouldn't put too much stock in claims that a proposed law will rob my freedom and destroy the economy. Every law robs citizens of one sort of freedom or another, and costs money too. And yet most laws are sensible and work just fine in the long run. On the other hand, stopping piracy feels a lot like Prohibition, and that didn't work out.

Speaking of the liquor analogy, bar owners are in an analogous situation under current laws. If a bar over-serves a customer, or serves minors, it can lose its license. And yet most bars inadvertently over-serve customers, and every bar has served minors that have good fake I.D.s. Here's an example where the government could easily over-apply the law, but it rarely happens. I owned two restaurants, and I would say the draconian laws were helpful in keeping the over-serving to a minimum, and the I.D. checking to a maximum. So there's precedent that makes me optimistic that reasonable humans wouldn't apply SOPA death sentences to web sites in cases of trivial copyright infringement. But you never know.

Bottom line: The supporters of SOPA have an argument structure I most often associate with the superior argument. That doesn't make them right. It's just an observation about the pattern of the argument when you strip out the content.

Expert Opinion

Lots of heavyweight corporations and organizations oppose SOPA. Some of the opponents are kidnap victims with guns to their temples (GoDaddy.com). Other supporters look like Stockholm Syndrome types. Still others have a financial interest in passively aiding and abetting the theft of intellectual property. Some have no credibility whatsoever, e.g. anyone in Congress. And it's hard to trust anyone with a balance sheet who claims to be fighting for my freedom.

Then there's the philosophical bias problem. Ron Paul and others would presumably forgo a million dollars of benefits if it required one extra dollar of government expense, or one extra law that reduces freedom. For some folks, it's the principle of the thing, and I respect that point of view. But are the anti-big-government people comparing the size of the benefits to the size of the costs, or are they simply rejecting anything that looks like a government overreach, complication, or interference?

Some big-name lawyers say SOPA will be a nightmare if implemented. But I'm guessing the law itself was crafted by lawyers, and presumably those lawyers have a different opinion.

And who came up with SOPA in the first place? Wasn't it a bunch of corporations who wouldn't mind pushing some costs on other people if it helps their profits?

Bottom line: Money and philosophical bias make all of the experts in this case unreliable.

Self-Interest Crossover

You would expect artists and content owners to support SOPA, and you would expect the people who would be caught in legal dragnets to oppose it. The interesting people are the crossovers: The parties who take the "wrong" side of the issue. And indeed, many creators do just that, publicly arguing against SOPA even though it is specifically aimed at protecting their financial interests. But at the risk of being unkind, a lot of people become artists because they aren't good at things like math and legal analysis. When I want an opinion on the Constitution, or economics, I rarely consult an artist.

Bottom line: The crossovers aren't persuasive.

My Self-Interest

I have one of the most widely stolen intellectual properties in the history of the world. Emotionally, I'm okay with that. It feels like a compliment. Financially, I have no idea if piracy has hurt me in any meaningful way. I made the decision years ago to make Dilbert available on the Internet, including the entire archive. To the surprise of most observers, sales of Dilbert to traditional newspapers continued to grow briskly.

Bottom line: As a creator, my bias is in favor of protecting intellectual property. But in my specific case, SOPA probably wouldn't have any impact on my life or income.

Verdict

I'm unbiased in the sense that SOPA probably wouldn't have any impact on me one way or another. And I'm not qualified to look at the language of the law and make judgments about its unintended consequences. When I look at the applicable rules of thumb, the pattern of the argument, and the expert opinions, I don't get a clear answer about SOPA. And when I don't have a clear answer, I default to the "do nothing" point of view. Therefore, I conditionally oppose SOPA, not because I know it will be bad, but because I can't predict its impact.

I reserve the right to flip-flop at any moment. Make your best arguments in the comment section and see if you can flip me.
 
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Jan 20, 2012
{But at the risk of being unkind, a lot of people become artists because they aren't good at things like math and legal analysis. }... I can speak to this to some extent as I used to be an aspiring musician.
I have a B.Sc. in engineering and pursuing my second masters degree, (MBA from a pretty decent school and have an engineering M.Sc., so the not knowing math does not apply in my case I think.. :) )
I used to be an aspiring musician when was young and had a band. We played gigs and released some demos to get ourselves heard. I can tell you that I could not care less about who pirated our music. It was about being heard. Being heard meant getting more gigs, and therefore being able to get paid.
I was a musician when the internet was still very young and so didn't have access to youtube, torrents, etc..
But I definitely think that we would have been a lot more successful today than back then due to the openness of the internet.
Back then you always needed some label backing you up to roll out a CD and market yourself, but today can be done pretty much by anyone.
The entry barriers are not the same anymore. Today the small acts challenge is how to compete with the big acts so to get people to actually listen to something else than the mainstream music being mass fed by the big labels.

A large piece of the revenues for musicians comes from them playing live, not from the music royalties. You need to be very big for royalties and selling music for that to happen.

The way the industry works today only allows for a small group of acts to become very rich, while the rest starve. Obviously the labels get fat in the process.
Labels want to keep their distribution manageable so they stick to a few sure key acts that can sell without much effort, keep supporting both their marketing and distribution, while killing the rest to avoid cannibalization.

My point is that if we think that piracy is hurting our artistic output as a society (at least in music), I don't think that's the case. It's not about the artist in this case. It's about the business.

Movies and other artistic output might be a slightly different story.

Software is a completely different ball game I think, but then again, you have so many other means to protect your Intellectual property in that case.


ike in the old days, which the huge labels kill.
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
@Dwigt

You wrote "People on both sides of the debate often state that they oppose piracy"

I sort of disagree with you. Exchanging information (that's what piracy is - exchanging copyrighted information) is something we do every day, every minute. It's as natural for human beings as breathing or eating. Or smiling, humming, etc. I could learn a poem by heart and go and say it to my date. I'd pay no copyright for this, nor would I think I need to pay any. (Actually, given the more and more stupid laws these recent years, I'm not even sure I'd be royalty free in this case.) Yet, said poem may be copyrighted.

What made copyright possible back in the days is that copyrightable content is usually a massive amount of information: A book, a CD, a DVD. Hence, to give it to a friend is cumbersome and more than anything, it is not a free process. My poem example has one flaw: It is doable for a human being to learn a poem in not too long a time frame. It is not possible to do so (for most) for - say - the whole Harry Potter books. Too much data. So, to convey information, you had to go into the physical world - printing, etc. Information was tightly linked with the physical world through this.

What the Internet changed, is that communicating became limitless: You can communicate virtually unlimited amounts of data (as compared to what you could do before) in no time, with no geographical constraints on where are the participants. You can do it on a one to one basis (email, ...) or in a one to many fashion (blogging, owning a website, etc) or in a many to many fashion: Peer to Peer.

This is the value of the internet, right there. And, very naturally, people started using it for many things. The same you would have said to a friend that was at your home "Hey listen to the latest U2!" and then you play the latest U2 on your stereo, you can now say "Hey, listen to the latest U2 - The whole album is attached to my email". There really is little difference in the intent.

People communicate, and that means people exchange information. All kinds of information. And an arbitrary law that had a very natural limit before (the transfer of massive amounts of data on a DVD for example) now becomes just an arbitrary limit that no one sees, because it has no way of being enforced anymore.

But if you go down a little further, what is the legitimacy of copyright? What gives someone the "ownership" of a word, a sentence, a picture, a sound? Where do you place the limit? If I write "I like red blueberries", what gives me the right to prevent anyone from using the same sentence? Had god made my words so sacred that the entire world is forbidden to use them anymore - unless they subscribe to my terms?

Take this entire post. This entire story. This entire website. I'm sure I can cut it down into pieces of 10 consecutive words and find on the internet every piece on another website. In other words, this post can be construed as a blatant copyright theft of dozens of other websites.

Does that makes even any kind of sense?

Now that communication of massive amounts of information is so convenient and free, copyright has become unenforceable. All of a sudden.

Naturally, copyright holders are scared to death. I'd be, I'm sure. But I see it as a natural evolution, not as something that is good or bad. When motor vehicles were invented, it scared to death carriage builders. Horse breeders. An entire chunk of the economy was threatened. And eventually transformed to survive or died. Is that a good or a bad thing?

None. It's evolution. Right there. It's just the way it is.
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
My issue with SOPA is that it is not the only way to stop piracy. People on both sides of the debate often state that they oppose piracy, but opponents of SOPA say the methods used in the bill go to far. Why not address some of the concerns that opponents have with the bill in order to pass a law that both respects internet free speech rights and combats piracy.

You don't fight crime by locking up everyone who knows a criminal. Instead you take a more targeted approach and use methods to prevent crime (gun control laws, security systems, etc.) and then go after those who actually commit crimes.
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
There is probably a larger issue here.
Is it even necessary to give intellectual property protection to entertainers like movie stars, singers, sportsmen and the entire entertainment industry? Why should distributing audio/video amongst ourselves be called piracy?

Before technology made it possible to record sound or video and before means of mass communication like TV were invented, neither entertainers nor the entertainment industry was really rich.

For an entertainer, of that time, to really become famous, he generally had to devote his entire life in the pursuit of his passion and then he become famous for having done something really well. This fame still did not guarantee him riches.

Modern (for that time) technology changed all that. Entertainment companies and entertainers started acquiring wealth far in access of what their talent deserved once technology made it possible to replicate and distribute their products to reach a far larger number of people.

As the well-recognised face of an entertainer reached into more and more homes, his income surged. He became a marketable commodity by virtue of being known and recognised.
Things have today probably reached some sort of extreme, with "some people being known only for being known" rather than for having done something - but who still manage to acquire immense wealth.

The point I'm making is that yesterday's modern technology made it possible for entertainers to become some of the richest people in the world. Today's modern technology is simply leveling the field somewhat, by making it easier to share and distribute the entertainment. The same forces which at one time made these entertainers capable of earning large amounts of money, far in excess of their inherent skill/talent, is now reducing their earning power somewhat.

The then government, rightly, did not stop mere "performers" and their industry from becoming far richer than the average person who actually did something, so why should the government today even be concerned about ensuring that the industry survives in its present form. It is not the government's job to ensure the survival of any industry. Left to market forces, the industry will adapt and survive in a different shape and form.
“All the forces in the world are not so powerful as an idea whose time has come.”
Victor Hugo
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
Scott. Now's the time to flip flop.

As Jibbley and myself pointed out, the only thing PIPA and SOPA will do to piracy will be to force pirates to hide themselves. Be reassured, this doesn't mean a more complex procedure for pirates - which would otherwise decrease piracy - but just another generation of tools for pirates. It'll take a few month and things will be the same outside of SOPA's reach.

As a result, you can't compare the bad outcome vs the good outcome of PIPA SOPA since there could possibly be no good outcome. Hence, you should in all objectivity oppose SOPA - just as you did - but not because you can't predict its impact, but because you CAN predict its impact on piracy - none or negligible - but you can't predict its abuse - meaning there could be abuses.

Predicted net outcome: zero good plus maybe some bad.

Who could endorse such a net outcome?

Now, if you need more explanation to be convinced that stopping piracy is impossible without shutting the internet down, I can explain that to you in detail, just ask. It's pretty simple actually.

 
 
Jan 19, 2012
Disclaimer: I read the first page of comments and then decided to say something, so this may be a repeat.

I wonder if it's not the * threat * of being shut down that scares people about these bills so much as that it may be they are * selectively * enforced.

Just like you don't see people getting ticketed for jaywalking (usually), but if an officer with a grudge sees you, then what?

Didn't Ben Franklin (and Calvin & Hobbes too!) mention that a law may be on the books, but it's unenforceable? Government will have to get bigger in order to enforce it. And if not, then it becomes just another club in the selective weaponry arsenal.

Maybe.
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
"Thanks to Republicans, and Ron Paul in particular, the idea that more government is always bad has gained a larger following than ever."

thanks to both republicans and democrats, both george w. and obama, our government is larger than ever. i only wish the above statement was true.
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
@Jibbley

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Jan 19, 2012
This really is the wrong audience for this question. We are readers of a free blog and a free online-comic. Of course we're against SOPA.

Scotts own conclusion is to not enforce this law, in spite of a few arguments that he mentions in favor of it. And we all jump to fight those few arguments. Ah well. Maybe you should run for president and prevent this law.

Which brings me to a question about your presidency that I think has not been answered yet: How do you garantee that you will stay independant and not be influenced by Big Money once you're in the office?
 
 
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Jan 19, 2012
@fongandrew

You wrote "It's whether the harm caused by infringing content is great enough to justify the loss from periodically cutting off access to non-infringing content."

It would be if SOPA and/or PIPA would have any chance at stopping or even reducing piracy. But it's not the case - tools will evolve and piracy will go underground and encrypted where they won't even be able to track it anymore. Those tools exist already and people will just switch to them.

So the ONLY outcome of both these laws will be the bad outcome. It will have negligible impact on piracy - except that piracy will be harder to track, which is a bad outcome for the very party pushing these laws.
 
 
Jan 19, 2012
Supporter: Something like SOPA is already being done successfully in other countries.

I take issue with "pattern" since the "other countries" are China, Iran, etc.

I know for a fact that there's significant collateral damage with Chinese censorship. Wikipedia pages on topics like butterflies are routinely blocked off because of the one page on the Tiananmen Square protests. When was I in college, I visited China in 2004. My college e-mail was blocked off because my school has a "Free Tibet" student group whose website was hosted under the university's domain name.

Under any filtering system, there will almost certainly be unintentional overblocking. It happens in the U.S. all the time -- see, e.g., the Stephanie Lenz DMCA takedown. The real question isn't about abstract ideology. It's whether the harm caused by infringing content is great enough to justify the loss from periodically cutting off access to non-infringing content.
 
 
Jan 19, 2012
Scott, you don't have to use pattern recognition. There's existing precedent for over-aggressive copyright enforcement. Just look at Veoh. Hollywood sued the crap out of it. Courts ultimately said that Hollywood had abused the law and that Veoh was right. But it was too late -- Veoh was broke.

Or read up on the case of the Dajaz1 blog. The blog's domain name was seized by the Department of Homeland Security. No charges were ever filed, nor did DHS initiate the required court proceedings. Eventually, DHS admitted it had made a mistake and returned the domain name -- over a year later.

I'm not against government power in general. But the government has shown itself to be over-aggressive in enforcing copyright. And I think it's entirely rational to refuse to give the government more hammers until it stops seeing nails everywhere.
 
 
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Jan 18, 2012
And if you were to ask a politician who has grown up in the internet age, you'll be told modestly that the net has become adequately ubiquitous for political intervention.

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Jan 18, 2012
Scott,

I am not a US citizen and I am not living in the US. Allow me to present my foreigner's view.

The politics of freedom is never aimed at disturbing the harmony between the haves and have-nots. That is a misconception, if it exists.

Freedom is certainly a political issue in an organized society. Hence all civil laws are aimed at assuring justice one way or another. There are equivalents of the SOPA enacted in the days before the advent of the internet. Historically if you have noticed the US has benefitted from such laws.

For instance, the IP rights, although admitted to protect the interest of the IP owner, have been largely used by big corporations to hijack original stuff from other countries and occassionally from fools within the country who cannot handle wealth. We know that such acts are more obvious than devious in actual form and substance.

Piracy in the fields of science and technology is like the ship of information - it leaks from the top. Countries like Russia, China, Australia and India have acquired technology directly from the sources. They don't need the internet for robbing the US of technological inventions.

Piracy is more rampant in the entertainment industry. No act anywhere in the world has been able to prevent that.

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Jan 18, 2012
Of course, the entire idea of intellectual property is fairly nonsensical. "Theft" generally implies that I'm depriving you of the use of something by transferring it to me. If I copy your idea, no such "theft" has occurred.
 
 
Jan 18, 2012
I'm normally not a poster but this made me log in and post.

One point which hasn't been brought up which I think is important.

My disclaimer is that I obviously haven't read the bill and wouldn't understand it, from memory this comes from Wikipedia or from someone else who has read the bill, so take this with as many grains of salt as you need to process tidbits of info off the internet.

Basically the law itself was written by lobbyists, not actual membesr of Congress, this was highlighted during a session when every single member of Congress was asked "technical" questions regarding the DNS provisions in the bill, apparently not one members questioned was able to answer the questions, they "were not qualified to comment on DNS issues"

Basically the issue is that a private group of industries have written a bill for Congress for their own intents and purposes.
So its not really an issue of government intrusion, it’s an issue of government being hijacked for the RIAA's own ends.

To be honest Scott I don't know why you don't vehmenetly oppose this, especially as people have pointed out that your websites could be taken down without warning under this bill.
 
 
Jan 18, 2012
See, Scott, I think you missed the libertarian argument again. It isn't exactly that "larger government is always not worth the trouble," but that every new expansion of government requires tremendous oversight. Also, libertarians believe that governments seize power totally, and the purpose of law is to restrain the government by telling it what it cannot do. Any law that expands government power needs to have several clauses on ways that the bill SHOULDN'T be interpreted in the future.

Also, Ron Paul hardly believes that every cent of government spending isn't worth it. He himself has called for and budgeted for incredible amounts of spending, with some cuts to imperial spending and the regulatory burden.

The problem with technocrats like you is that the entire discussion of "principles" leaves you befuddled and confused, because you are ONLY concerned with pragmatic achievement of symbolic goals handed down by our betters.
 
 
Jan 18, 2012
Scott, I don't think anyone else noticed, but I sure in hell did...

I had to take a walk and have a cigarette, and I don't smoke.

Immunity for taking voluntary action against cites dedicated to theft of us property.

Immunity for taking voluntary action against cites that endanger public health

Sections 104 and 105.

What constitutes a cite dedicated to theft of us property can be interpreted so many ways.

And cqan psychological health be part of endangering public health.
What if some people go crazy reading your blog?

Can you be prosecuted for that?

In the bill " fame" constitutes a copy right... So quoting someone famous can be interpreted as copy right infringement.

Depending on the mood of the judges....

A orwellian reward to promote self sensorship... Protection against prosecution!

Creepy bill......
 
 
Jan 18, 2012
Here's a link to a well thought-out statement of opposition to SOPA and PIPA: http://links.heritage.org/hostedemail/email.htm?CID=10889817664&ch=3C2E053FA4F00DECB480B5D711910782&h=8b0d4f9c35ae0b83dc43cc282900834f&ei=sh-MiT8iN

I thought it made some interesting points and had some interesting links.
 
 
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Jan 18, 2012
Okay you claim that all of the experts in this case are unreliable because they have a stake in it. This is not entirely correct I use, Vint Cerf, this is the man that basically built the internet and invented it. He has no stake in this and is probably the person most qualified to discuss it. Vint Cerf FTW!
 
 
 
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