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Which of these two events do you find more distasteful?

1.      Rush Limbaugh called Sandra Fluke a slut for her position on contraceptives.

Or

2.      Activists are treating Fluke as a helpless victim who needs society's protection against the harsh words of an entertainer.

My interpretation of events is that Limbaugh saw Fluke as a capable adult, and a public figure, tough enough to handle some harsh language. The boycotters apparently see Fluke as more of an endangered child, or a helpless damsel in distress, threatened by a monster. Light the torches and launch the boycott!

One way to look at this situation is that Limbaugh is a misogynist bully who cold-heartedly attacked a young woman who was only trying to make the world a better place through her testimony.

Another way to look at it is that Limbaugh's brand of entertainment involves saying cruel and absurd things about any public figure with an opposing opinion. Fluke volunteered to be a public figure, and by all evidence, she's a capable adult (age 30?) who doesn't run from a fight.

Did I miss the part where Fluke asked society to fight her battles for her? What I saw was the opposite. Fluke willingly waded into the fight about contraception. The timid people stayed home and watched her on television.

From my point of view, Limbaugh treated Fluke like a worthy opponent, capable of handling a harsh attack. In other words, he treated her the same way he routinely treats the President of the United States. As I've said on other occasions, you haven't achieved equality until you're a legitimate target for humor. Obviously we aren't there yet.

Full disclosure: I don't agree with anything that comes out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth, but I have a great appreciation for his entertainment skills.

 
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Mar 8, 2012
I first listened to Rush Limbaugh in 1988, I believe he had just started his program around that time. I listened faithfully since I was in the car all the time, I agreed with him on most things. I have grown much since then and I used to think he was simply an entertainer as well. That is what he wants us to think, facts are: that he does influence people and policy with his talk, he knows what he's doing and is very good at it, unfortunately there are millions out there who do not realize he is actually trying to influence them, I was one of those folks for several years I am embarassed to say. Rush is a problem in a country where 80% of the folks who listen to that kind of stuff, left or right wing, don't take time to think for themselves. You are right, Sandra Fluke can take care of herself, but there are millions, who need birth control, who cannot.
 
 
Mar 7, 2012
Number 2 is the more disgusting. Rush is Rush.
 
 
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Mar 7, 2012
Scott, I think you missed the point. The sponsors of the show that pulled out and (I hope) most other people think Rush crossed the line of socially acceptable. Just like others who have used the n-word. This has nothing to do with whether the young lady can "take it". I like what Obama said, he wants everyone to be able to exercise political speech and be treated with respect when doing so. Rush is not capable of respect so he is being chastised. I believe we would be better off as a nation without Rush, but I am just one voice and never ever support one of his sponsors.
 
 
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Mar 7, 2012
I think #2 mis-characterizes the reaction to the Limbaugh rants. He dug his own grave, he isn't getting any help. The picture of him bad-mouthing, in an especially vile and sexist way, a thoughtful person doing a public service (testifying before Congress to further a debate) is what is driving advertisers away. If the activists are doing anything, they're just making sure that the advertisers understand that they are associated with Limbaugh and his repellent speech -- it's up to the advertisers to decide if this association is good or bad for their business. Apparently, many of them think it's bad.
 
 
Mar 7, 2012
Lets try it again.

Why is being a prostitute considered bad? And just exactly who or what is a s l u t.

S o m e b o d y earlier wrote that Rush Limbaugh does not seem to be getting any. Now, he will not only not get any but he will be subsidising somebody else's orgasms.
 
 
Mar 7, 2012
Why is being a prostitute considered bad? And just exactly who or what is a !$%*!$%*!$%*!$%*! earlier wrote that Rush Limbaugh does not seem to be getting any. Now, he will not only not get any but he will have to subsidise somebody else's orgasms.
 
 
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Mar 6, 2012
Scott,

Almost missed this blog. I was caught up with the state elections in India. Politics is fun, specially when your stake is on the winning horses.

Coming back to the post,

Your post reads like an all-american perspective about women in politics and our primitive instincts. Scott, I hope some day you'll consider that you are also very popular outside the pacific-atlantic rim.

Who is Rush? And what is Fluke? I had to scan the entire youtube world to find out what you were talking about.

The Fluke woman has got her statistics wrong. She says, '99% of american women resort to contraception at some stage in their lives' - this is no correct. Islam prohibits contraception. And surely there are more than 1% of them in the US. But thats a minor point.

I think doling out tax payer's money for accidental pregnancy is perhaps a good idea. That does not prevent the sl't getting pregnant, but it relieves the stud from banking on his own meager reserves. Like any other accident insurance.

For example, a muslim with four wives and 3 children each has to cater for 10-12 kids in a lifetime. That's phenomenal expenditure for an inflationary capitalist economy. Even churches and mosques cannot afford that kind of charity.

Kudos to Ms. Fluke on her virgin mission.

And congrats to Rush for blowing hard.

What a farce!

.
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
1. is most distasteful

"My interpretation of events is that Limbaugh saw Fluke as a capable adult, and a public figure, tough enough to handle some harsh language. The boycotters apparently see Fluke as more of an endangered child, or a helpless damsel in distress, threatened by a monster. Light the torches and launch the boycott!"

Not at all, if any adult was spoken to in that way in my presence I would be ready to defend them, it doesn't mean they are not capable themselves.


"One way to look at this situation is that Limbaugh is a misogynist bully who cold-heartedly attacked a young woman who was only trying to make the world a better place through her testimony."

That is exactly what Limbaugh is, a bully. Like any bully he will masquerade as something he is not.


"Another way to look at it is that Limbaugh's brand of entertainment involves saying cruel and absurd things about any public figure with an opposing opinion. Fluke volunteered to be a public figure, and by all evidence, she's a capable adult (age 30?) who doesn't run from a fight."

If you look at Limbaugh's history he is driven by hate - entertainer is just a guise to cover his hate speech.



"Did I miss the part where Fluke asked society to fight her battles for her? What I saw was the opposite. Fluke willingly waded into the fight about contraception. The timid people stayed home and watched her on television."

She didn't - but if anyone was spoken to in that way in your presence in your home would you stay quiet? Unlikely.


"From my point of view, Limbaugh treated Fluke like a worthy opponent, capable of handling a harsh attack. In other words, he treated her the same way he routinely treats the President of the United States. As I've said on other occasions, you haven't achieved equality until you're a legitimate target for humor. Obviously we aren't there yet."

Bully's do not want worthy opponents, they simply want to crush people.
 
 
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Mar 6, 2012
I take offense at anybody taking offense on being called "s-l-u-t". By taking offense at being called a !$%*! you are demeaning the natural behavioral urge of some human beings. It's like getting offended on being called "gay" or "fat" or "liberal" or "conservative". Unless you thought, that is something bad, you would not get offended. Now you may say that is inaccurate description of you, but you wouldn't get offended. What's wrong with being a !$%*! But then I am a male, dork, engineer, geek. All my life, I dreamed of being a !$%*!$% unsuccessfully. I adore !$%*!$%* No offense to those with belief in marital fidelity.
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
#2, but it's more complicated than that. My full take on it is at:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/03/age-of-apology.html
 
 
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Mar 6, 2012
I was more annoyed at Rush's inaccuracy. Fluke demands - DEMANDS, no different than if she pointed a gun at your head - that others pay for her contraception.

So she can't be a !$%*! A !$%* sleeps around for free. I guess she could be a gold-digger, although that seems inaccurate, they usually want shiny toys, not birth control. And she can't be a prostitute, because a prostitute takes money from someone for a voluntary sex act with them. Fluke wants to take money from someone to have sex with someone else, not the payer, and what's the closest analogy for that I can think of?

P0rn star! Hey, at least then his comment about posting the sex videos online would make a lot more sense. ;)

OK, that was all just me being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but the madness of demanding that anyone, but especially a Catholic school, pay for her personal birth control expenses, because of her CHOICE to have sex, really cheeses me off. I don't care how much sex she has or doesn't have or with whom. As the TSA would say, "Get your freak on, girl!" -- just don't send me the bill. Fluke has stated she went to the Catholic school TO fight them, which is as arrogant as me walking into a synagogue and demanding the rabbi whip me up a bacon-double-cheeseburger, at his own personal expense.

Maybe we can all send random invoices to politicians who demand public money for private consumption. I mean, they seem to think other people should pay for your personal life. That could probably be a killer ad campaign for the Libertarian party...
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
If you're taking flak, you're somewhere near the target. Never gets old :)
 
 
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Mar 6, 2012
Limbaugh missed it. He should have called her a liar as well. She misrepresented the cost of birth control by a factor of 10 in an effort to sell her argument that I need to help pay for her to have sex without consequences. If she is worried about getting pregnant the pill is cheap, condoms can be cheaper (depending on the number needed), and abstinence is free.

But hey, don't let reason stop you, hook up as much as you want and send me the bill. While your at it, can I pay for your drinks as well? I'd hate to think that because you can't afford the prices at the nicer night clubs that you are sleeping with substandard men. Because if the birth control failed it is only reasonable that we would want the best genetic combination possible so that the child, if brought to term and birthed, has genetics going for them.
 
 
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Mar 6, 2012
It is quite well known that children act up just to get attention from adults. Two children act up three times as much.
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
[I don't agree with anything that comes out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth, but I have a great appreciation for his entertainment skills.]

It's great for him to be able to hide behind the 'entertainer' thing. He can say any outrageous thing he thinks will rile his/the base and when it gets too ugly, his supporters can say 'take it easy, he's just an entertainer'.

I feel sad for both the listeners who believe he has a philosophy worth taking seriously, and sad for the ones living a 'life' where a show such as his is considered entertainment.
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
Calling people names is a sign of respect? Limbaugh's behavior has been disgusting.

I just wish America would collectively realize that Limbaugh is a jerk and ignore him.
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
Her being an activist, I couldn't care less about Sandra Fluke. Activists don't care about politics or issues... they care about activism. I've read studies that followed a number of activists over the course of their lives and it was shown that although their beliefs tended to change as they aged (like normal people) they were inclined to activism, even on individual issues where their position had spontaneously flip-flopped from one extreme to the other. When I read this, it resonated with me, because my sister was an very liberal and political democrat when she was younger, and the turned into a very conservative and political republican sometime over a period of months. It shocked me that she spent NO TIME as a centrist in either party or as an independent. Her position on virtually everything changed overnight.

That having been said, I think Rush is a hate-spewing jerk of an entertainer. Being a little right-of-center, I don't think he's always wrong, but I hate the extreme way he delivers his messages. I'm glad to see advertisers turn their back on him, and can't believe that he represents any value system that a reputable company would want to associate with.
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
1. You know, despite asking for enough free condoms to do it 3 times a day, I don't think she ever revealed "her position".

2. Fluke is a 30 year old in law school, if she can't handle being called a sl*t or a wh*re she needs to find another profession. Limbaugh did her a favor, the people coddling her aren't. She seems to be handling herself well.

3. The truth of the matter she choose georgetown knowing is was catholic oriented institution and choose it specifically for that. According to Beck's news site she's with a group that wants free abortions (and contraception is a weasel term that more people would tolerate) in addition to free contraception. It's also no coincidence she made the news now that Obama has declared jihad against traditional religion.

4. A point Limbaugh made that I will say I agree with: if she can't afford to do it on her own, I don't think the rest of us should pay for it.

5. The best form of contraception is free: it's called not getting drunk.
 
 
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Mar 6, 2012
Scott, I'm surprised and impressed that you have again waded into the territory of feminism. And without a disclaimer at the top! Very brave!
 
 
Mar 6, 2012
I agree "that Limbaugh's brand of entertainment involves saying cruel and absurd things about any ... figure with an opposing opinion," although he claims to be more. So I don't listen.
 
 
 
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