I plan to start hoarding supplies soon. There should be some big riots after the election. Here's a sequence of events and conditions that would lead to rioting. Do you see anything on the list that isn't likely?
  1. The economy stays bad for a another month
  2. Obama has a clear lead in the polls before election day
  3. McCain wins anyway. While the real reason for the polling discrepancy will be racism, there will be a widespread belief that the election was rigged. And there will be plenty of real and imagined evidence that it was.
  4. Riots will break out, partly out of genuine anger, partly to get that new flat screen TV.

We know the country can get past one suspicious Presidential election, because it did exactly that with Gore versus Bush. But two in a row would turn even normal citizens into conspiracy theorists. Given the anxiety over the economy, concerns about abortion rights, and the continuing wars, you have a perfect storm for revolution.

Interestingly, the only person who could stop the riots would be Obama himself.

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Nov 5, 2008
Are you giving your hoarded supplies to the poor now?
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Nov 4, 2008
This is for Tarter...My opinion. "Whites voting for McCain because he's white are racist, a bad thing. Blacks voting for Obama because he's black are showing racial pride and solidarity, a good thing." Isn't it the same thing? Voting for your own race?.How can anybody do that, who is talking about running our government, we are not all racist we have different point of views and to call others racist your racist against thyself. Forget about people being racist Obama wants a change I want a change I believe America wants a change..But it will never happen if everyone is stuck on the stuff that happened back in the 1800's. Racism is a thing of the past look forward to the future imagine if grow up and the only thing you have left is a person different than your race. They are the only one taking care of you feeding you and everything. Wouldn't that make you feel alittle imaginative on how you could of been? Then this ass well "I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about restoring partial birth abortions so long as we keep all death row murderers alive" Are you completely mentally challenged? Unborn children is way too important than what a murderer does in prison..Are you saying somebody who rapes your child shouldn't be punished? I believe the world will riot, It's already begun because EVERYONE IS STUCK ON THINGS THAT HAPPENED 200 YEARS AGO. GET OVER IT, WORK TOGETHER WE MAY HAVE A CHANCE IN THE NEW BEGINING.
Oct 24, 2008
Interstingly just today (24th Oct) these stories appear in our papers in the Uk....


Scott anticipating the news or driving it?
Oct 21, 2008
Tartanmarine, you rock!

I am too stupid to think for myself, so I let the government do it for me. Great satire!
Oct 21, 2008
Farney, thanks for all the facts. Very interesting...

If Dems or anybody else thinks the electoral college sucks, they should work to change the Constitution and stop whining about the process.
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Oct 21, 2008
From some stats I heard the other day, part of your scenario seems pretty likely. I don't know about the rioting part, but I what I heard was correct, McCain could easily beat Obama with polling numbers well below Obama's on the day before the election...and not even from the so-called Bradley effect.

Paraphrasing what I heard, in every one of the recent modern elections (I remember them quoting numbers back to Carter) the actual voting % swung 5 or more points from Dem to Rep compared to the polls. I.E. in the final results the Dems had 5% less and the Reps had 5% more than the polls predicted. Again, this is just an example, with actuals all over the place with the only common factor that the Dems ALWAYS went down and the Reps ALWAYS went up, regardless of who won the election.

I haven't yet looked for the data to back this up, but it seems that this should be in the news. Why does the pollng suck so bad? Even if all of these swings were within the margin of error on the polls, there is no way that they could always shift in the same direction unless there was a non-random cause. I can't imagine this is election fixing because it would have to be found out if it had been going on for 30 years.
Oct 21, 2008
OMG, you Democrats are always looking for conspiracies to explain the defeats of Gore and Kerry. The cold hard fact is, we need to protect our interests in the Middle East, Korea, South America and Europe. We must help our allies like France and Great Britain. Fortunately, Sarcozy and Gordon Brown understand the gravity of Islamic Jihad.

Christians all over the world are still being killed for no reason other than their faith. I'm not saying we have to spend 200-plus years fighting the Crusades all over again, but freedom to practice your religion is the whole reason America was founded.

In January '09, we need a guy who can hit the ground running. He is John McCain.
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Oct 21, 2008
When you see footage of looting, there's always someone who has looted a toilet. I never know whether they just got there late when all the good stuff was gone or whether their first instinct was genuinely to throw a brick through the window of a bathroom shop.
Oct 21, 2008
After eight years and two such fake terms, this would actually be considered the third rigged elections in a row...
Oct 20, 2008
Somebody thinks big trouble is coming! US Military has redeployed part of the Third Infantry Division to the United States,and given it special training in riot control with both lethal and non-lethal technology.
The Posse Comitatus Act is dead by Bush and the Patriot Act.
Maybe there are plans to make it three hijacked elections. And it was two elections bush stole. Its a sure thing that there will be big backups in voters in places where they have voted wrong.

Oct 20, 2008
Drowford, I have to agree -- we are whiny and lazy. Phil Gramm said that and everybody hammered him, but I agree. There won't be a revolution or riots, but a lot of whining by Democrats again if they lose.

They still haven't gotten over Gore/Bush in 2000. WOW. Get over it. Lighten up, as McCain would say.

I am registered Republican but vote for the person, not party. I've followed McCain's career since before the '00 election when Bush did him dirty in S. Carolina.

Chris Buckley and others can whine all they want that McCain has changed, but at 72, nobody changes. Once your personality is set (and experts disagree when that is), it doesn't change fundamentally. Maybe McCain wouldn't return Chris' phone calls anymore, I don't know.

What I do know is Mac is a known quantity; he stands for less big government, a strong defense, keeping people in their homes and the old-fashioned idea of putting somebody else's needs before your own. His POW camp decision proves that.
Oct 20, 2008
If you really believe McCain will win, why not put some money on it on www.intrade.com? McCain is currently trading at 15.3, which means you can win 6x your money if you're right.
Oct 20, 2008
This is the most depressing thread I've read in a long time.
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Oct 20, 2008
As a white South African over 40, I'm not exactly unbiased about black politicians. And I would vote for Obama with the same confidence that I voted for Mandela. He's an educated, modest, quietly confident person who appears to be less corrupt than most. (all politicians are corrupt and power-maniacs by definition but the shorter time you have been in politics, the less you have been corrupted and the fewer favours you owe!)

On the other hand, if he loses, South Africa will lose its place as the most hated, racist country in the world, which would be nice.
Oct 20, 2008
Firstly, as an outsider, I would just like to say that riots make for great TV, so this isn't necessarily so bad if you take a non-parochial perspective.
For anyone thinking of rioting, please remember some of the important ingredients if you want to ensure global TV coverage:
1. Fires are essential - it helps the helicopter camera crews zone in on the action
2. Destroy cars - the owners have left them out for a reason, they're insured after all
3. Avoid chanting - you will look like middle-aged peace protesters rather rioters
4. Remember to loot a shopping trolley so you can loot more than you can physically carry; better still you can loot two; leave the first by the entrance whilst you go and fill a second but be sure to leave a note explaining that it's already been looted by you - you don't want some scumbag coming along and stealing it
5. Be sure to loot first at the stores with the biggest discounts, <a ="http://www.philipgraves.net/">consumer rules</a> still apply!

Most importantly of all have fun (and cover your face up)!
Oct 20, 2008
Before I deactivate my account, I feel that you have the right to know why. First of all, to suggest that there will be violence after the election is irresponsible, especially if it is based on one candidate (John McCain) winning and another losing.

Another reason is that it ignores history. Whites usually riot more than African Americans do, and for more shallow reasons, but these are called "protests" , even "violent protests", but are seldom called "riots". This is a product of the media, whose quest for ratings is always key in their survival. While the Los Angeles Riots were wrong, the reason was that a man was beaten by four police officers and those officers were given a non-guilty verdict. It was not because an election did go the way that the rioters wanted. Do you see the difference?

I don't think you do, and I'm beginning to question your judgment.

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Oct 19, 2008
who won't vote for McCain because his running mate doesn't have a penis.

How did p e n i s not get censored

I've seen far less get garbled in the dilbertocensormatic
Oct 19, 2008
Gloomy predictions are so much more worrying when they come from the wise.
Oct 19, 2008
just joined the list
i'm trying to get that 4 panel cartoon where he shows that bosses and workers took two different evolutionary paths - anyone remember it? because some guy on one of my list servs posted a 'history 101" showing that liberals and conservatives took different evolutionary paths
jim waters jwatersphd@msn.com
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Oct 19, 2008
Democracy sucks anyway. It gives you the government that most people favor, and what do they know? They know the performances of two tv-artists.

Maybe Obama's time has not come yet. It will be another 40 years before the majority of the U.S. population is non-white. But by that time the international role of the U.S. will be so insignificant that I won't care anymore.
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