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 Yesterday I was talking to some McCain supporters about how they arrived at their preference. We don't see many McCain supporters in my neighborhood, so I always take time to hear their views. Admittedly my sample is not large, but of the dozen or so McCain supporters I have spoken with, there is a common thread: Obama gives them a vague feeling of discomfort that they can't quite identify.

When I ask about this vague feeling of discomfort, the answer has something to do with how his views got formed, his past associations, how quickly he rose to prominence, and how charismatic (slick) he is.

The risk, as I understand it, is that once in office Obama would start sporting a turban and begin each speech with WAHLALALALALALAL!!!! He would appoint Supreme Court justices who favor a redistribution of wealth to unborn gay babies, and he'd legalize crack. It would all be part of his master plan to destroy America. I might have the details wrong, but it goes something like that.

It's hard to argue against someone's vague feeling of discomfort. After all, studies have shown that people are actually quite good at determining character and intelligence from nothing more than photographs. I just found it interesting that the people I spoke with described a vague feeling of discomfort in forming their preference. That is not something I ever heard in other elections.
 
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User Name: Lisainred Nov 13, 2008
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OK, I will concede that the single moms point was gratuitous. It probably has nothing to do with how good a president Obama will be.

However, since I worked with many child abuse/neglect victims and learned a lot about the first five years of life and how they shape your thinking forever, I won't concede the terrorist point. I am not saying Obama was definitely around some Jihad types, I am simply stating the possibility he was. Perhaps it explains why he sat in a hatemonger's church for 20 years and subjected his children to such filth.

Of course, the experience issue is the most relevant. If McCain had stuck to his message throughout the campaign and refused to be swayed by it, he would probably have been elected. It probably still would have been close, but people might have overlooked the financial mess and any Palin dislike.

IMO, Palin is a victim of sexism. We don't tear apart male candidates as viciously as the females.
 
 
User Name: vishalrix Nov 12, 2008
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Lisainred,

I was going to reply in detail but then reread my post to see that the "word" Klansmen was used an inordinate number of times; a !$%*!$%*!$%* which is sure to make sure that the reader is all fired up and will never use logic and reason while reading the reply. As summary, first of all you have not understood the question. Second, you didn't understand that it WAS a question, and not a statement.


Regarding your previous post; I found many of your points on the mark( specially regarding experience). But you spoil the whole logic and coherence of the rest of the points by including points like 7( terrorist friends) and 8 ( single moms). Regarding 8, remember Jesus Christ. Though some would argue that His father was a constant presence, and I agree. Same with Obama, though.

But it's very obvious that not only is he lacking in experience, his only achievement yet has been his winning the presidency.
 
 
User Name: Lisainred Nov 12, 2008
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So now, Mr. India, all the McCain supporters are Klansmen? That makes about as much sense as Obama being a Muslim.

Please see my comments below for why McCain supporters were really uncomfortable w/ Obama. In addition, I don't believe bailing out the auto makers and supporting the unions will get us out of this financial crisis, which is global anyway. The handwriting's been on the wall for the Big Three since the '70s. They have consistently produced crappy cars Americans don't want, and now the taxpayers are supposed to help them? Haven't we supported their poor management and greedy unions long enough?

The policies of the '70s didn't work and resulted in a huge recession w/ 21 percent interest rates. Is this change we can believe in?
 
 
User Name: vishalrix Nov 11, 2008
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Vague feelings?
Why not be more explicit and admit that the your "friends" are Klansmen?

The point I am gunning for is that how can somebody admit to having "vague uneasiness" for Obama without being accused of racism? I have no idea; I am from India.
 
 
User Name: Dalebert7 Nov 5, 2008
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I think part of the vague discomfort may be that Obama seems too good to be true. He never seems to lose his cool or to make any of the gaffs like the other three in the race have. He always seems to have the right thing to say. He can seem almost like a robot at times.

I think that may be why McCain's "guilt by association" attacks didn't work. Everyone has to have SOMETHING bad in his or her background. It only made him seem more human.
 
 
User Name: brassknight Nov 4, 2008
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For the record, one of our more hateful presidents happens to be on the twenty dollar bill. No one is complaining... except me.
 
 
User Name: brassknight Nov 4, 2008
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I get a vague feeling of discomfort whenever my friend from high school talks about having his friends entrails sprayed on him after an attack on his convoy. When asked what he's fighting for, he just stares into space...
 
 
User Name: Lisainred Nov 4, 2008
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BobNL, if you dislike us McCain voters, please, please go somewhere else. There are a zillion places on the Web where out-of-control Obamamania rules.

I don't see that many here disagreeing with Scott. Perhaps you should get your eyesight checked.
 
 
User Name: Lisainred Nov 4, 2008
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I have to agree with giobiondani. Here in FL, we are very clear about what bothers us about Obama. The top 10 reasons:

1. He let his children hear the hateful words of Jeremiah Wright for all their lives.
2. He has never taken a stand against his own party.
3. Like Biden, he loves earmarks and will grab all he can get.
4. He has not supported one major proposal and seen it thru Congress, just like Kerry.
5. He was only state senator for a few years and U.S. senator for a year or so before forming an exploratory committee to be president.
6. He reminds me of the corruption of Chicago politics and all the times bribes were taken and dead people voted in 1960 to make JFK president. He thinks he's the reincarnation of JFK.
7. It's unclear who his mother hung out with during the first crucial and formative years of his life. Were they Islamic terrorists?
8. The last president of a single mom (Clinton) didn't exactly have a stellar record. He was raised by his grandma, who just passed away. So who's going to make sure he does well now? Michelle?
9. Did I mention he has a huge ego? Talks about "a righteous wind at our backs."
10. Finally, he has no experience, esp. in foreign policy. Terrorists will have a field day. I am very glad I do not live in D.C., L.A. or NYC!
 
 
User Name: headhunt23 Nov 4, 2008
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To Cubicle Prisoner -

Oh, so you are sick of paying taxes, but you are going to vote for Obama. Genius.

Once upon a time in 1992, Bill Clinton ran on a middle class tax cut. He no sooner was elected - not even inagurated - and he declared there wouldn't be a tax cut, becaue the deficit was worse than he had realized (although hs campaign literature actually OVERSTATED the the amount of the deficit). If you think he's actually going to give a middle class tax cut - going to a congress which will be far further to the left than the first Clinton congress, you are truly fortunate to actually be employed.

As to the upcoming "panic" when you leave your job - just remember the graveyards are full of indespensible men.

And, I have no idea what age group that is. I will hope it is sub-25, since your only making 37K, but I am guessing it is over 50, in which case I'll leave you alone since you have enough problems.
 
 
User Name: CubiclePrisoner Nov 3, 2008
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I guess I must have left out a few explanations in my comment that I thought was about not wanting 4 more years of losing 1/3 of my hard earned paycheck to taxes. I took that look in the mirror 3 years ago when I discovered that my employer was taking advantage of me and several others. I have been taking night classes in computer science for over 2 years now and nothing will make me happier than the day I can give my employer my 2 weeks notice and watch the panic set in. As far as finding a 'better' job... I believe I mentioned that unemployment was high here.. it is at 10.5% now, and I know if I quit my job tomorrow, there would be 250 applicants lying through their teeth about their skills to get it. And if you're wondering why my employer would be so harsh, you should know that I belong to the "we don't have to do anything to try to keep them, they're not going anywhere" age group.


 
 
User Name: BobNL Nov 3, 2008
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Scott,

Do you ever get the feeling that most of your commenters disagree with you? Why don't you poll them for which candidate they vote. I predict 70-80 % McCain voters.
 
 
User Name: Cpt. A Clown Nov 3, 2008
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"Vague feelings of discomfort" POSSIBLY means racial distrust (thought not necessarily) or more likely means that the flack/blullsh*t "throw everything at the wall and hope some of it sticks" done by the GOP hacks has worked.

"He's a socialist" - He's raising 5% of taxpayer's taxes by 3%, back to Clinton levels when life was good.

"He associates with terrorists" - Yeah

"He's a closet muslim who wants to destroy Christianity" - OK

"He's the most liberal member of the senate" -This country has gone so conservative in recent years, that just being moderate is now considered liberal.

Obama appears by ALL accounts to be an intelligent, reasonable man who makes the best decisions in an even-handed non-hysterical way based on actual information and intel. What's to be uncomfortable about?
 
 
User Name: McMullen Nov 3, 2008
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My concern with Obama is that we are very near, if we have not already passed, a tipping point, where the productive citizens who finance the government are outnumbered by those who subsist on government expenditures. Socialists have long been using goverment expenditures to buy votes and build a dependent constituency. They are near the point of achieving a permanent dependent majority of those who simply vote to appropriate the income and wealth of the productive minority. 'Tax the Rich' to pay for public housing, to pay for public education, to pay for retirement income, to pay for public transportation, to pay for 'free' healthcare, etc. This dependent majority often claims a naturals 'right' to those 'free' services.

A true 'right' can be exercised by an individual. This so-called rights advocated by Obama and the like require some citizens to trasfer weathy to others, under penalty of imprisonment. The right to free speech, does not imply that the government must finance the publication or broadcast of an individuals point of view. The right to bear arms, does not imply that government must construct and distribute arms to any citizen who desires to bear arms. These new 'rights' advocated by leftists compel certain citizens (the productive minority) to provide or finance goods and services to those groups who have successfully lobbied their cause to the federal government.

The Consitution was designed to prevent such majority rule, but such restraints on government power have largely been discarded, and Obama's judicial appointments will surely accelerate this disregard for Consitutional limits in favor of redistribution for the 'greater good'.
 
 
User Name: headhunt23 Nov 3, 2008
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To Cubicle Prisoner:

Judging by your comment, you are lucky to both be employed and making $37,000 a year.

You have a crappy job and an idiot boss? What does McCain have to do with that. You're the loser who can't get a better job.

Quit whining and look in the mirror to figure out why you are in the situation you're in. Whining, self pity and avoidance of responsibility are probably the primary factors. And even the Obamessiah won't cure those.
 
 
User Name: shagbark Nov 3, 2008
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I retract my earlier comment on this topic. Too bad I can't delete it.
 
 
User Name: schmarvin Nov 3, 2008
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I am a conservative by ideals (pro-life, personal accountability and LIMITED governmental involvement in business and personal freedoms, SMALL Federal government and more local control, pro firearms with less regulation but with harsher penalties for misuse - including the death penalty, pro-fairtax, etc...)

My ideals most closely align me with the Republican party, although I am not a party line voter. I supported Mitt Romney in the primaries.

I DO NOT want John McCain for President, but I want Barak Obama for President even less.

Those "vague feelings of discomfort" are generally refered to as common sense or conscience. The historical mistrust of what happens AFTER someone is elected - what they promise versus what they actually do.

My "vague feelings of discomfort" might be rephrased as "fear". Fear of what will happen to an already overly complicated and unfair tax system - I want to have more control over my own money and I don't want to give more to the government for their further misuse, fear of more Federal government - they are unsuccessful with the things they manage and don't want them trying to do more, fear of inciting more class-based instigation, etc...

I don't like either party's candidate. My decision to vote for McCain doesn't mean I support or like him; it's simply the lesser of the 2 awful choices.
 
 
User Name: BobNL Nov 3, 2008
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Just give it up folks. Obama is going to win so bad that you won't know what hit you.

 
 
User Name: ibid Nov 3, 2008
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I think our views often start with our gut feelings and then we look for ways to justify that.
In 2000 I didn't take the Bush campaign at all seriously. After all, his qualifications didn't extend beyond sharing a name with someone who used to be President. So the first time I actually heard him speak was at the Republican National Convention. As I listened I got anxious. I started to pace. About halfway through I stopped and said to the screen "my, god, the man plans to invade Iraq". Five minutes later I said "and if he can't invade Iraq he'll happily settle for Canada so long as he can get his war." Everything after that was rationalization.
 
 
User Name: jeffreyellis Nov 3, 2008
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Scott, I suspect you have a sample of McCain voters that is statistically too small to be valid. Virtually all of those I know who are voting for McCain think that Obama is just way too liberal, dare I say even socialist. They are scared that he will grow the size of government, increase taxes, institute a bloated and inefficient national health care program, and any other number of things that will in effect redistribute wealth, to damaging consequences. There's no vague feeling of discomfort that enters into it. (And I live in Texas, so I have a large sample size.)
 
 
 

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