Yesterday I was talking to some McCain supporters about how they arrived at their preference. We don't see many McCain supporters in my neighborhood, so I always take time to hear their views. Admittedly my sample is not large, but of the dozen or so McCain supporters I have spoken with, there is a common thread: Obama gives them a vague feeling of discomfort that they can't quite identify.

When I ask about this vague feeling of discomfort, the answer has something to do with how his views got formed, his past associations, how quickly he rose to prominence, and how charismatic (slick) he is.

The risk, as I understand it, is that once in office Obama would start sporting a turban and begin each speech with WAHLALALALALALAL!!!! He would appoint Supreme Court justices who favor a redistribution of wealth to unborn gay babies, and he'd legalize crack. It would all be part of his master plan to destroy America. I might have the details wrong, but it goes something like that.

It's hard to argue against someone's vague feeling of discomfort. After all, studies have shown that people are actually quite good at determining character and intelligence from nothing more than photographs. I just found it interesting that the people I spoke with described a vague feeling of discomfort in forming their preference. That is not something I ever heard in other elections.
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Nov 13, 2008
OK, I will concede that the single moms point was gratuitous. It probably has nothing to do with how good a president Obama will be.

However, since I worked with many child abuse/neglect victims and learned a lot about the first five years of life and how they shape your thinking forever, I won't concede the terrorist point. I am not saying Obama was definitely around some Jihad types, I am simply stating the possibility he was. Perhaps it explains why he sat in a hatemonger's church for 20 years and subjected his children to such filth.

Of course, the experience issue is the most relevant. If McCain had stuck to his message throughout the campaign and refused to be swayed by it, he would probably have been elected. It probably still would have been close, but people might have overlooked the financial mess and any Palin dislike.

IMO, Palin is a victim of sexism. We don't tear apart male candidates as viciously as the females.
Nov 12, 2008

I was going to reply in detail but then reread my post to see that the "word" Klansmen was used an inordinate number of times; a !$%*!$%*!$%* which is sure to make sure that the reader is all fired up and will never use logic and reason while reading the reply. As summary, first of all you have not understood the question. Second, you didn't understand that it WAS a question, and not a statement.

Regarding your previous post; I found many of your points on the mark( specially regarding experience). But you spoil the whole logic and coherence of the rest of the points by including points like 7( terrorist friends) and 8 ( single moms). Regarding 8, remember Jesus Christ. Though some would argue that His father was a constant presence, and I agree. Same with Obama, though.

But it's very obvious that not only is he lacking in experience, his only achievement yet has been his winning the presidency.
Nov 12, 2008
So now, Mr. India, all the McCain supporters are Klansmen? That makes about as much sense as Obama being a Muslim.

Please see my comments below for why McCain supporters were really uncomfortable w/ Obama. In addition, I don't believe bailing out the auto makers and supporting the unions will get us out of this financial crisis, which is global anyway. The handwriting's been on the wall for the Big Three since the '70s. They have consistently produced crappy cars Americans don't want, and now the taxpayers are supposed to help them? Haven't we supported their poor management and greedy unions long enough?

The policies of the '70s didn't work and resulted in a huge recession w/ 21 percent interest rates. Is this change we can believe in?
Nov 11, 2008
Vague feelings?
Why not be more explicit and admit that the your "friends" are Klansmen?

The point I am gunning for is that how can somebody admit to having "vague uneasiness" for Obama without being accused of racism? I have no idea; I am from India.
Nov 5, 2008
I think part of the vague discomfort may be that Obama seems too good to be true. He never seems to lose his cool or to make any of the gaffs like the other three in the race have. He always seems to have the right thing to say. He can seem almost like a robot at times.

I think that may be why McCain's "guilt by association" attacks didn't work. Everyone has to have SOMETHING bad in his or her background. It only made him seem more human.
Nov 4, 2008
For the record, one of our more hateful presidents happens to be on the twenty dollar bill. No one is complaining... except me.
Nov 4, 2008
I get a vague feeling of discomfort whenever my friend from high school talks about having his friends entrails sprayed on him after an attack on his convoy. When asked what he's fighting for, he just stares into space...
Nov 4, 2008
BobNL, if you dislike us McCain voters, please, please go somewhere else. There are a zillion places on the Web where out-of-control Obamamania rules.

I don't see that many here disagreeing with Scott. Perhaps you should get your eyesight checked.
Nov 4, 2008
I have to agree with giobiondani. Here in FL, we are very clear about what bothers us about Obama. The top 10 reasons:

1. He let his children hear the hateful words of Jeremiah Wright for all their lives.
2. He has never taken a stand against his own party.
3. Like Biden, he loves earmarks and will grab all he can get.
4. He has not supported one major proposal and seen it thru Congress, just like Kerry.
5. He was only state senator for a few years and U.S. senator for a year or so before forming an exploratory committee to be president.
6. He reminds me of the corruption of Chicago politics and all the times bribes were taken and dead people voted in 1960 to make JFK president. He thinks he's the reincarnation of JFK.
7. It's unclear who his mother hung out with during the first crucial and formative years of his life. Were they Islamic terrorists?
8. The last president of a single mom (Clinton) didn't exactly have a stellar record. He was raised by his grandma, who just passed away. So who's going to make sure he does well now? Michelle?
9. Did I mention he has a huge ego? Talks about "a righteous wind at our backs."
10. Finally, he has no experience, esp. in foreign policy. Terrorists will have a field day. I am very glad I do not live in D.C., L.A. or NYC!
Nov 3, 2008
I guess I must have left out a few explanations in my comment that I thought was about not wanting 4 more years of losing 1/3 of my hard earned paycheck to taxes. I took that look in the mirror 3 years ago when I discovered that my employer was taking advantage of me and several others. I have been taking night classes in computer science for over 2 years now and nothing will make me happier than the day I can give my employer my 2 weeks notice and watch the panic set in. As far as finding a 'better' job... I believe I mentioned that unemployment was high here.. it is at 10.5% now, and I know if I quit my job tomorrow, there would be 250 applicants lying through their teeth about their skills to get it. And if you're wondering why my employer would be so harsh, you should know that I belong to the "we don't have to do anything to try to keep them, they're not going anywhere" age group.

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Nov 3, 2008

Do you ever get the feeling that most of your commenters disagree with you? Why don't you poll them for which candidate they vote. I predict 70-80 % McCain voters.
Nov 3, 2008
"Vague feelings of discomfort" POSSIBLY means racial distrust (thought not necessarily) or more likely means that the flack/blullsh*t "throw everything at the wall and hope some of it sticks" done by the GOP hacks has worked.

"He's a socialist" - He's raising 5% of taxpayer's taxes by 3%, back to Clinton levels when life was good.

"He associates with terrorists" - Yeah

"He's a closet muslim who wants to destroy Christianity" - OK

"He's the most liberal member of the senate" -This country has gone so conservative in recent years, that just being moderate is now considered liberal.

Obama appears by ALL accounts to be an intelligent, reasonable man who makes the best decisions in an even-handed non-hysterical way based on actual information and intel. What's to be uncomfortable about?
Nov 3, 2008
My concern with Obama is that we are very near, if we have not already passed, a tipping point, where the productive citizens who finance the government are outnumbered by those who subsist on government expenditures. Socialists have long been using goverment expenditures to buy votes and build a dependent constituency. They are near the point of achieving a permanent dependent majority of those who simply vote to appropriate the income and wealth of the productive minority. 'Tax the Rich' to pay for public housing, to pay for public education, to pay for retirement income, to pay for public transportation, to pay for 'free' healthcare, etc. This dependent majority often claims a naturals 'right' to those 'free' services.

A true 'right' can be exercised by an individual. This so-called rights advocated by Obama and the like require some citizens to trasfer weathy to others, under penalty of imprisonment. The right to free speech, does not imply that the government must finance the publication or broadcast of an individuals point of view. The right to bear arms, does not imply that government must construct and distribute arms to any citizen who desires to bear arms. These new 'rights' advocated by leftists compel certain citizens (the productive minority) to provide or finance goods and services to those groups who have successfully lobbied their cause to the federal government.

The Consitution was designed to prevent such majority rule, but such restraints on government power have largely been discarded, and Obama's judicial appointments will surely accelerate this disregard for Consitutional limits in favor of redistribution for the 'greater good'.
Nov 3, 2008
I retract my earlier comment on this topic. Too bad I can't delete it.
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Nov 3, 2008
Just give it up folks. Obama is going to win so bad that you won't know what hit you.

Nov 3, 2008
Scott, I suspect you have a sample of McCain voters that is statistically too small to be valid. Virtually all of those I know who are voting for McCain think that Obama is just way too liberal, dare I say even socialist. They are scared that he will grow the size of government, increase taxes, institute a bloated and inefficient national health care program, and any other number of things that will in effect redistribute wealth, to damaging consequences. There's no vague feeling of discomfort that enters into it. (And I live in Texas, so I have a large sample size.)
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Nov 3, 2008
I feel that what you're hearing are echos of the McCain-Palin talking points and commercials. Since the campaign only wants to talk about the tax issue, what's left is spreading seeds of fear of the opponents. Talking about the economy, health care, an extended occupation in Iraq won't help at the polls as much as playing the fear cards. McCain-Palin are fanning the embers of prejudice that still exist below the surface -- racial and religious prejudices most are working hard to overcome because we know they are wrong.
Nov 2, 2008
This is why I repeatedly come to a cartoonist's blog... a different perspective. Mr. Adams has views that sometimes overlap with mine, but many times don't, or they just take an original view that I hadn't thought about. Then we get to the comments, which tend to skew "Libertarian" and "Republican", while I tend to be "Liberal". It's just a good exercise to get your mind working. I tend not to hear a lot of the other side, not because I purposefully avoid opposing views, but because most everyone around me is somewhat similar. Even my middle of the road dad (I'm only 24) is pushed left because he cannot accept Palin as a candidate.

My first vote for president was 2004, and I can tell you what happens when you have lots of people voting against the other candidate instead of for their own. You get John Kerry... whom I would argue very few actually felt would be a good president, but they (myself included), just couldn't stand the idea of Bush in office again. This time I'm actually voting for my candidate. I want Obama to be president, even counting the fact that I voted for McCain for senate years ago.

I would guess, and it may be way off base, that a good number of commentors are what I call the "engineer" type. Approaching the world in a very logical, calculated, and rational manner. You see the choices, you think, you research, you think again, you research more, and you make the best available choice. In that sense, an engineer type (not just them however) wants and needs history and background, and the accomplishments that all these comments are calling for. These are legitimate concerns, and while I think Obama's attributes have been tested over a 22 month campaign, in the end, most political contests come down to emotion and feelings, and vague senses of character. And that is why every engineering friend I have is more angry at the few choices they have, then one particular candidate.
Nov 2, 2008
I'm from Arizona and I can assure you that McCain would be a terrible choice. He cares nothing for his constituates. He does not really respect women. He hangs out with wealth, married wealth, and has no clue how anyone making under $5M lives (paycheck to paycheck for most of us). His wife's fortune is tied to the mob. If you have money, he will be your friend, no matter how sleazy you are (and then when you are tried, convicted, and imprisoned he will hope no one points out his affiliation with proven crooks). Arizona is at the bottom of getting our share of Federal pork thanks to McCain, Kyle, Shaddegg, and Flake. It's not like I support pork, but if its available why not take it. It could make my state (income and property and sales) tax bill less. It's all about John McCain and f""" the rest. I think Obama is a sleazy politician too, but I've had enough Republican BS. Makes me ashamed to still be in the Party.
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Nov 2, 2008
I'm not American, and hopefully that gives me a bit of perspective.

The first thing I'd like to know is what the average american's accepted definition of socialism is.

I've also made an observationm regarding Scott's topic. I've noticed that whenever there is a republican about, they make attacks against Obama, rather than arguments for McCain. I make no value judgement for either, but the tone is faily unmistakable. It seems that McCain's smear campaign may be catching the minds of many.

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